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Meeting strangers to 'make out' with or 'hook up' with is literally the point of a club. It's been going on ever since humans had festivals and dances. Lets cas
by dbspin 4y ago
Meeting strangers to 'make out' with or 'hook up' with is literally the point of a club. It's been going on ever since humans had festivals and dances. Lets case conservatively 8 - 12k years. What you consider 'trashy' is completely culturally determined, and in this case amusingly bourgeois.
This post is part of a wider trend toward sex negativity. It's not predicated on any major social change - in fact young people are having sex later on average, having fewer sexual partners, and people of all ages are reporting less casual sex (at least in the US). But rather on reactionary moralising.
- tgv 4y ago> completely culturally determined Murder, another completely culturally determined taboo. The (presumed, I might add) fact that something is cultural doesn't change its value. And using bourgeois as dismissive is so 1970s.
- virtualritz 4y agoWhat's your point?
- AlexandrB 4y agoMurder violates the rights of another human being. Whose rights are violated by two consenting adults making out in a club?
- tgv 4y agoA right is just another cultural concept.
- omniglottal 4y agoYour use of language is a cultural concept, too - let's not ignore how your dismissal here is about as valid as if you chose to not use words to express this concept. Having rights is a matter of personal agency, regardless of society's "collective" agency. It is a distinction between cultural and personal control over the individual. You might consider either trying to stop using words altogether, or else maybe recognize that an individual's agency, their "rights", are indeed relevant to the conversation about culture.
- tgv 4y agoLanguage --most likely-- is a natural concept: animals have developed it, too. It builds culture. It's more natural than the taboo on murder, the concept mentioned earlier in the thread. > let's not ignore how your dismissal here My point in the thread was against using "culturally determined" as a way to dismiss an argument. I'll repeat my stance: the fact that something is culturally determined or socially shaped does not alter its meaning or value.
- eternalban 4y agoThe unintended irony of those who throw around "bourgeois" in this context is amusing. Historically, the classes that discounted sexual mores have been the poor and the wealthy and powerful elite. The latter already have long standing social mechanisms for maintaining their social position, and the former are under economic pressures that undermine moral and ethical considerations. It is basically the middle classes that definitively require stable families. So unless OP is manor born -- the working classes do not have leisure time to spend time on HN -- OP is likely a product of a petite-bourgois family who has not really understood the vital necessity of sexual mores for their class.
- psyc 4y agoI know what you’re going for with ‘culturally determined’ but it’s just so unconvincing. When I was 20, I was part of the culture that went to clubs. Now I’m part of the culture that thinks it’s trashy as all hell, and a fleeting millisecond of’fun’ that isn’t really even that fun.
- eli_gottlieb 4y agoOk, so you got older and turned into a Boomer. What's new? Circle of life.