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I exclusively used MacBooks from 2012 to 2018 or something like that, before switching to a Carbon X1, and could never switch back. None of the laptops from App

I exclusively used MacBooks from 2012 to 2018 or something like that, before switching to a Carbon X1, and could never switch back. None of the laptops from Apple I had could actually be used from my lap, which is where I want to use my laptop, because of the heat coming from the bottom of the MacBooks. So I'm quite happy with plastic/softer materials rather than whatever metal material Apple uses.

Avamander 5y ago
You're talking about Intel, of course laptops with those are unpleasant. You should try and compare a M1 Mac with your Carbon X1. Most likely yours runs much hotter.
- capableweb 5y ago
  > You should try and compare a M1 Mac with your Carbon X1. Most likely yours runs much hotter. Unless I'm mistaken, the material of the M1 Macs seems to be the same as before? If the machine runs at 100% resource usage, does the underside of the body no longer get so hot you can't have it in your lap?
  - Avamander 5y ago
    > If the machine runs at 100% resource usage, does the underside of the body no longer get so hot you can't have it in your lap? Nope, never. That's not to say that if you run a Wii emulator for hours it doesn't get very warm, it's simply not intolerably hot. That's without fans. I'd expect a fan-equipped model to at most remain warm.
    - capableweb 5y ago
      > That's not to say that if you run a Wii emulator for hours it doesn't get very warm, it's simply not intolerably hot I've never run any emulators, I'm guessing they are about as resource-hungry as compiling things? Since laptops usually compile much slower than desktop computers, lots of time is spent compiling something when I use my laptops. > it's simply not intolerably hot I guess everyone's tolerance is different, but would you, while you run your Wii emulator, be able to have the laptop in your lap with just a thin garment between the laptop and your skin?
      - Avamander 5y ago
        > I'm guessing they are about as resource-hungry as compiling things? Pretty much, plus the GPU is in use. > Would you be able to have the laptop in your lap with just a thin garment between the laptop and your skin? Yes, that's what I originally meant as well. I'd prefer an actively cooled machine in such cases, obviously, but yes.
faeriechangling 5y ago
The 2018 x1c vs the 2018 MacBook Air was somewhat a blowout. We're talking 14" vs 13" screen, lower weight vs higher weight, 4 core vs 2 core, reliable machine vs butterfly keyboard, essentially even battery life, displays, and speakers for the most part. You had to be REALLY attached to MacOS or the Apple ecosystem to seriously consider a MBA. When Apple m1 was released, the battery life and performance situation VERY much changed making Apples product very very competitive as a standalone product. You absolutely made the right choice in 2018, but the game has changed and Apple is back.
xeornet 5y ago
Time to try the M1 chips!
- capableweb 5y ago
  If they weren't so damn expensive I would have already! Also waiting for Asahi Linux to mature before I'd even consider it, really hard to abandon Linux ecosystem once you've gotten used to it. I would never be able to replicate the productivity and the UX of my desktop setup with macOS, so Linux support is a must for me at this point.
  - kaladin-jasnah 5y ago
    Someone on HN will be sure to remind that you're using macOS wrong.

Avamander 5y ago

You're talking about Intel, of course laptops with those are unpleasant. You should try and compare a M1 Mac with your Carbon X1. Most likely yours runs much hotter.

capableweb 5y ago
> You should try and compare a M1 Mac with your Carbon X1. Most likely yours runs much hotter. Unless I'm mistaken, the material of the M1 Macs seems to be the same as before? If the machine runs at 100% resource usage, does the underside of the body no longer get so hot you can't have it in your lap?
- Avamander 5y ago
  > If the machine runs at 100% resource usage, does the underside of the body no longer get so hot you can't have it in your lap? Nope, never. That's not to say that if you run a Wii emulator for hours it doesn't get very warm, it's simply not intolerably hot. That's without fans. I'd expect a fan-equipped model to at most remain warm.
  - capableweb 5y ago
    > That's not to say that if you run a Wii emulator for hours it doesn't get very warm, it's simply not intolerably hot I've never run any emulators, I'm guessing they are about as resource-hungry as compiling things? Since laptops usually compile much slower than desktop computers, lots of time is spent compiling something when I use my laptops. > it's simply not intolerably hot I guess everyone's tolerance is different, but would you, while you run your Wii emulator, be able to have the laptop in your lap with just a thin garment between the laptop and your skin?
    - Avamander 5y ago
      > I'm guessing they are about as resource-hungry as compiling things? Pretty much, plus the GPU is in use. > Would you be able to have the laptop in your lap with just a thin garment between the laptop and your skin? Yes, that's what I originally meant as well. I'd prefer an actively cooled machine in such cases, obviously, but yes.

faeriechangling 5y ago

The 2018 x1c vs the 2018 MacBook Air was somewhat a blowout. We're talking 14" vs 13" screen, lower weight vs higher weight, 4 core vs 2 core, reliable machine vs butterfly keyboard, essentially even battery life, displays, and speakers for the most part. You had to be REALLY attached to MacOS or the Apple ecosystem to seriously consider a MBA. When Apple m1 was released, the battery life and performance situation VERY much changed making Apples product very very competitive as a standalone product. You absolutely made the right choice in 2018, but the game has changed and Apple is back.

xeornet 5y ago

Time to try the M1 chips!

capableweb 5y ago
If they weren't so damn expensive I would have already! Also waiting for Asahi Linux to mature before I'd even consider it, really hard to abandon Linux ecosystem once you've gotten used to it. I would never be able to replicate the productivity and the UX of my desktop setup with macOS, so Linux support is a must for me at this point.
- kaladin-jasnah 5y ago
  Someone on HN will be sure to remind that you're using macOS wrong.