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I'm currently hiring for a 3-day workweek in case that's of interest: https://remoteok.com/remote-jobs/110323-remote-pt-full-stack-software-engineer-rephonic ht

I'm currently hiring for a 3-day workweek in case that's of interest: https://remoteok.com/remote-jobs/110323-remote-pt-full-stack-software-engineer-rephonic https://remoteok.com/remote-jobs/110323-remote-pt-full-stack... I had a job like this in the past and I loved the freedom of it the fact that I had plenty of energy left over to pursue other interests. So I wanted to recreate that for those that I hire. EDIT: my role is part-time so it's not a fair comparison.

microtonal 4y ago
This is a bit disingenuous. A 4-day work week usually means that a work week is reduced from 40 to 32 hours without a loss of compensation. Like previous reductions in work time, the theory is that while someone puts in fewer hours, it’s worth it because people can’t be fully productive for 40 hours. Your linked offer is a part-time position. It even states that you only get a cut of FTE and that there is the possibility to change to a full-time employment.
- drpancake 4y ago
  That's a fair criticism! I didn't consider that 4-day usually implies the same compensation as a full workweek.
  - hedora 4y ago
    A pay cut seems OK, as long as benefits stay the same, and any equity deals stay (proportionally) the same.
- ByteJockey 4y ago
  > A 4-day work week usually means that a work week is reduced from 40 to 32 hours without a loss of compensation. Is that what's being discussed here? My mind immediately went to a 4 10s situation (which, while not the norm, is fairly common in the US).
- bartvk 4y ago
  To me as a Dutch person, that's not disingenious at all, that is exactly what you want. You go from a 5 day workweek to 4 days, and take a 20% paycut. Sometimes it's possible to work 4 days of 9 hours, but it always comes with a paycut.
  - microtonal 4y ago
    I am Dutch too and it is common to work part-time for four days at a 20% cut [1]. However the four-day work week movement/experiments usually mean that people would work four days without a pay cut. The idea is (like going from the 6 day to 5 day work week at the beginning of the 20th century) that the extra leisure makes people more productive during work time. So, the same amount of work is done in less time, hence no pay cuts. See e.g.: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four-day_workweek#Active_trials https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four-day_workweek#Active_trial... https://www.4dayweek.com https://www.4dayweek.com [1] In fact, if you work >= 6 months for a Dutch employer, you can request moving to a part-time schedule and they can only reject this request unless they have very good reasons: https://www.intermediair.nl/werk-privebalans/rolverdeling/werken-in-deeltijd-dit-zijn-de-regels https://www.intermediair.nl/werk-privebalans/rolverdeling/we...
- throw123123123 4y ago
  Why would someone pay (or take) the same between a 4-day week vs a 5-day worker ceteris paribus?
- sokoloff 4y ago
  While I agree that someone working a 4-day week is more than 80% as productive as someone working 25% more hours, I don’t agree that a “4 day workweek usually means…without loss of compensation”. In many cases, you can’t possibly know what would have happened (if an entire company is 4-day schedule) or a company transitions to a 4-day workweek instead of paying raises or while paying smaller raises. I can’t think of any place where the expected schedule for one employee is 32 hours and another, otherwise identical, employee is 40 hours and those two are paid the same. To me, a 4-day workweek just means you have scheduled/expected work on 4 days and none scheduled/expected on the other 3.
c-fe 4y ago
Hi, I had a look at the position and it fits very much what I was looking for. I hope we can arrange something. I applied to the position with my email (c [at] cfx [dot] lu)

microtonal 4y ago

This is a bit disingenuous. A 4-day work week usually means that a work week is reduced from 40 to 32 hours without a loss of compensation. Like previous reductions in work time, the theory is that while someone puts in fewer hours, it’s worth it because people can’t be fully productive for 40 hours. Your linked offer is a part-time position. It even states that you only get a cut of FTE and that there is the possibility to change to a full-time employment.

drpancake 4y ago
That's a fair criticism! I didn't consider that 4-day usually implies the same compensation as a full workweek.
- hedora 4y ago
  A pay cut seems OK, as long as benefits stay the same, and any equity deals stay (proportionally) the same.
ByteJockey 4y ago
> A 4-day work week usually means that a work week is reduced from 40 to 32 hours without a loss of compensation. Is that what's being discussed here? My mind immediately went to a 4 10s situation (which, while not the norm, is fairly common in the US).
bartvk 4y ago
To me as a Dutch person, that's not disingenious at all, that is exactly what you want. You go from a 5 day workweek to 4 days, and take a 20% paycut. Sometimes it's possible to work 4 days of 9 hours, but it always comes with a paycut.
- microtonal 4y ago
  I am Dutch too and it is common to work part-time for four days at a 20% cut [1]. However the four-day work week movement/experiments usually mean that people would work four days without a pay cut. The idea is (like going from the 6 day to 5 day work week at the beginning of the 20th century) that the extra leisure makes people more productive during work time. So, the same amount of work is done in less time, hence no pay cuts. See e.g.: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four-day_workweek#Active_trials https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four-day_workweek#Active_trial... https://www.4dayweek.com https://www.4dayweek.com [1] In fact, if you work >= 6 months for a Dutch employer, you can request moving to a part-time schedule and they can only reject this request unless they have very good reasons: https://www.intermediair.nl/werk-privebalans/rolverdeling/werken-in-deeltijd-dit-zijn-de-regels https://www.intermediair.nl/werk-privebalans/rolverdeling/we...
throw123123123 4y ago
Why would someone pay (or take) the same between a 4-day week vs a 5-day worker ceteris paribus?
sokoloff 4y ago
While I agree that someone working a 4-day week is more than 80% as productive as someone working 25% more hours, I don’t agree that a “4 day workweek usually means…without loss of compensation”. In many cases, you can’t possibly know what would have happened (if an entire company is 4-day schedule) or a company transitions to a 4-day workweek instead of paying raises or while paying smaller raises. I can’t think of any place where the expected schedule for one employee is 32 hours and another, otherwise identical, employee is 40 hours and those two are paid the same. To me, a 4-day workweek just means you have scheduled/expected work on 4 days and none scheduled/expected on the other 3.

c-fe 4y ago

Hi, I had a look at the position and it fits very much what I was looking for. I hope we can arrange something. I applied to the position with my email (c [at] cfx [dot] lu)