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> Are the people that lack disturbances in behavior, emotion, and cognition really that much better off? Yes.

by unmole 5y ago

hirvi74 5y ago
I'll never know, but I have always been of the mentality that everyone has "something." Whether it has a diagnostic label or not. I guess, in a more terse sense -- life ain't easy for anyone.
- themacguffinman 5y ago
  If you have ADHD, you can know with medication. It's my understanding that modern ADHD medication is remarkably effective and well studied.
- kanbara 5y ago
  "life is hard for everyone" for you means that we shouldn't give people mental health? if people have recognised diagnoses they are entirely entitled to treatment. whether it's "i can't sleep enough" to "i'm gay and feel like my relationship with my family has struggled" to "i have a fear of airplanes" to "i can't focus and sit still". even if there is no true neurotypical brain, the fact is that an overwhelming number (hundreds of millions of people) don't ever question their mental state or life and have no problem doing ANYTHING they want. and then there are people who struggle and ask for help. it's pretty demeaning to belittle mental conditions as "just something everyone has" tbh
  - hirvi74 5y ago
    Perhaps I should have elaborated more. By "something" I meant everyone has /something/ wrong with them to some degree i.e. no one is perfect and there is no such thing as normal. That 'something' could be mental or physical. If a person does not have something wrong at the moment, then time will eventually catch up. Not to mention there are people that can have conditions to sub-clinical levels. One could technically have some of the criteria of a mental disorder without fully qualifying for a diagnosis. That doesn't mean they live life on easy mode just because they do not carry a diagnosis. Sure, they might have a /easier/ time in life, but I have never been one to think of suffering as some competition amongst others.
- FollowingTheDao 5y ago
  > life ain't easy for anyone I would gladly trade places with if you you honestly think this. I am homeless living with a mood disorder caused by an Autoimmune condition (Neuropsychiatric Lupus) that was misdiagnosed as Schizoaffective Bipolar Disorder for the last 30 years of my life. I cannot work. So I kind of understand how you came to have this point of view. Since anyone on the internet, and usually some of the most successful people, can put up a blog and complain about their very common phenotype to moan about how losing their gloves amounts to a disorder. And any short amount of research on nutrition could probably fix their issue but instead they go to pharmaceuticals.
  - hirvi74 5y ago
    I am sorry to read about your situation and truly hope you are able to be in a better place as soon as possible. I think being healthy in both mind and body is obviously advantageous compared to the alternatives, but I still don't think that life is easy for said people. Though, I suppose it would have to be looked at on an individual basis and not as a group. One can be physically and mentally health and still be in abject poverty with no hope or way of getting out. One can also be healthy and on the lower distribution of intelligence. Having low enough intelligence is commonly coupled with certain disorders, but there is still a grey-area where you are still below average intelligence, but above any diagnostic criteria. I would argue that level of intelligence could cause many issues and disorder in one's life, and that their suffering isn't fake because there is no formal pathology to describe it. Do said people suffer less than those with disorders? Perhaps, but I do not wish to view human suffering as some sort of competition. I think we should strive to help and to support all people when possible.

> Are the people that lack disturbances in behavior, emotion, and cognition really that much better off? Yes.

by unmole 5y ago

> Are the people that lack disturbances in behavior, emotion, and cognition really that much better off? Yes.

I'll never know, but I have always been of the mentality that everyone has "something." Whether it has a diagnostic label or not. I guess, in a more terse sense -- life ain't easy for anyone.

themacguffinman 5y ago
If you have ADHD, you can know with medication. It's my understanding that modern ADHD medication is remarkably effective and well studied.
kanbara 5y ago
"life is hard for everyone" for you means that we shouldn't give people mental health? if people have recognised diagnoses they are entirely entitled to treatment. whether it's "i can't sleep enough" to "i'm gay and feel like my relationship with my family has struggled" to "i have a fear of airplanes" to "i can't focus and sit still". even if there is no true neurotypical brain, the fact is that an overwhelming number (hundreds of millions of people) don't ever question their mental state or life and have no problem doing ANYTHING they want. and then there are people who struggle and ask for help. it's pretty demeaning to belittle mental conditions as "just something everyone has" tbh
- hirvi74 5y ago
  Perhaps I should have elaborated more. By "something" I meant everyone has /something/ wrong with them to some degree i.e. no one is perfect and there is no such thing as normal. That 'something' could be mental or physical. If a person does not have something wrong at the moment, then time will eventually catch up. Not to mention there are people that can have conditions to sub-clinical levels. One could technically have some of the criteria of a mental disorder without fully qualifying for a diagnosis. That doesn't mean they live life on easy mode just because they do not carry a diagnosis. Sure, they might have a /easier/ time in life, but I have never been one to think of suffering as some competition amongst others.
FollowingTheDao 5y ago
> life ain't easy for anyone I would gladly trade places with if you you honestly think this. I am homeless living with a mood disorder caused by an Autoimmune condition (Neuropsychiatric Lupus) that was misdiagnosed as Schizoaffective Bipolar Disorder for the last 30 years of my life. I cannot work. So I kind of understand how you came to have this point of view. Since anyone on the internet, and usually some of the most successful people, can put up a blog and complain about their very common phenotype to moan about how losing their gloves amounts to a disorder. And any short amount of research on nutrition could probably fix their issue but instead they go to pharmaceuticals.
- hirvi74 5y ago
  I am sorry to read about your situation and truly hope you are able to be in a better place as soon as possible. I think being healthy in both mind and body is obviously advantageous compared to the alternatives, but I still don't think that life is easy for said people. Though, I suppose it would have to be looked at on an individual basis and not as a group. One can be physically and mentally health and still be in abject poverty with no hope or way of getting out. One can also be healthy and on the lower distribution of intelligence. Having low enough intelligence is commonly coupled with certain disorders, but there is still a grey-area where you are still below average intelligence, but above any diagnostic criteria. I would argue that level of intelligence could cause many issues and disorder in one's life, and that their suffering isn't fake because there is no formal pathology to describe it. Do said people suffer less than those with disorders? Perhaps, but I do not wish to view human suffering as some sort of competition. I think we should strive to help and to support all people when possible.