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This is from 2012. Any context as to why it was posted now? Would be great to have the title updates as well.

by gabea 4y ago

simonsarris 4y ago
The context is basically all on twitter. Recently Elon Musk said: > Wellbutrin is way worse than Adderall imo. It should be taken off the market. > Every time that drug has come up in conversation, someone at the table has a suicide or near suicide story. here: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1520211168979259393 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1520211168979259393 See also this tweet (which Elon replied to) which mentions the submitted link https://twitter.com/Cernovich/status/1520524301786435585 https://twitter.com/Cernovich/status/1520524301786435585
- tptacek 4y ago
  Oh, gross. This story doesn't support that batshit claim.
- jjeaff 4y ago
  These kind of tweets are just weird. He portrays himself as such a technical science based guy, but then makes random comments like this that are bound to create controversy. It's like he doesn't realize that millions of people read his tweets. It's stuff like this that really make me question his tactical and leadership abilities. I would think to build the kind of companies that he has built, one would need to be an excellent taction, know when you speak and when not to and know where to devote energy. Maybe he is just playing at a level I don't understand.
  - deleted 4y ago
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  - carlmr 4y ago
    >makes random comments like this that are bound to create controversy. Controversy means engagement, engagement leads to fame, fame is worth a lot of money if your companies are publicly listed.
  - Jxl180 4y ago
    > but then makes random comments…It's like he doesn't realize that millions of people read his tweets. Yes, people on the autism spectrum often lack social awareness and are unable to process the same social cue’s as neurotypical individuals.
  - rayiner 4y ago
    Or maybe he just had a random thought that he shared on Twitter, as people are wont to do.
    - jjeaff 4y ago
      But there is a huge difference. When you have millions of people listening, at some point you have to realize that everything you say publicly has the potential to create big problems.
  - anamax 4y ago
    > It's like he doesn't realize that millions of people read his tweets. Do those millions of people have any responsibility for what they do after reading said tweets? I don't know about the rest of you, but whether Musk eats spinach has nothing to do with whether I will.
    - jjeaff 4y ago
      Of course they do. But do people in major leadership positions with worldwide reach bear any responsibility for what they say? Humans are social creatures. I'm willing to bet most of the things you do or say are heavily influenced by what other people do or say. For you, Musk may not be one of those people. But for many, he probably is.
- jollybean 4y ago
  Elon's arbitrary and uniformed comments and anecdotes about Medical tech are as bad as anything Pharma is doing. I wonder if he considers GSK's arbitrary promotion of their products as 'free speech' as well? There's a staggering lack of self awareness with this guy on this issue. There are zillions of fanboys and people 'influenced' by Musk and others, imagine a doctor prescribes 'ABC for depression' and a patient is reluctant, or worse, 'adamant' about the drug i.e. 'PeEPLE aRe dYInG!'. It's a common problem now in the medical field. If GSK can be held accountable for false or misleading information about something that 'causes harm' - then maybe so should Musk and others. At the same time, obviously, drugs do cause harm and sometimes without even any malign intent, so it becomes problematic then for regular, legitimate, 'good faith' investigation as well i.e. why should we trust '60 Minutes' investigation more than the FDC, the Drug Maker, or Elong Musk? It's tough. I don't know what the answer is, but it's a very serious issue we need to think about.
  - jokethrowaway 4y ago
    Free speech doesn't exempt you from committing crimes. I'm against all regulations, I personally think we should have 3rd party companies reviewing products and the processes to create products and that anything should be sellable. That said, if the customers have an expectation that products need to have a certain characteristics to be sold because of regulations - if you bypass those regulations you are committing fraud to your customers. It would be equivalent to a company saying "The Health Reviewer Company X said our product is good for treating depression" when no such claim was made. It's pure and simple fraud - and they're free to say it and be sued into oblivion.
  - nyokodo 4y ago
    > why should we trust '60 Minutes' investigation more than the FDC, the Drug Maker, or Elong Musk? It's tough. A major flaw in the culture is the disproportionate attention given to celebrity opinions.
    - jollybean 4y ago
      Yes, that's populism. But our journalistic enterprises are also flawed, so is governance. So it's hard.
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- Auracle 4y ago
  I really don't agree with this at all. I was put on antidepressants late in my teenage years for unexplained fatigue which was misdiagnosed as depression. I was first put on an SSRI - Lexapro. I went from 140 pounds to 180 in a month or two, and I certainly wasn't ravenously eating. I went off an on it a few times, and I can see how other people would have a really hard time getting off of it. I was also put on Wellbutrin, and that had no effect on my weight (if not slight weight loss), it was better as far as sexual side effects go, and it was easier to come off of. I now have a prescription for Adderall - again, for the fatigue - and I can see how some people could be addicted to it. Personally, I think it's a shame we can't just sell it over the counter. It's amazing for if you need to drive late at night, and it's the best damned cold medicine there is. If we could make an Adderall type stimulant where your brain downregulating receptors wasn't a factor a lot of people would lead significantly happier lives.

This is from 2012. Any context as to why it was posted now? Would be great to have the title updates as well.

by gabea 4y ago

This is from 2012. Any context as to why it was posted now? Would be great to have the title updates as well.

The context is basically all on twitter. Recently Elon Musk said: > Wellbutrin is way worse than Adderall imo. It should be taken off the market. > Every time that drug has come up in conversation, someone at the table has a suicide or near suicide story. here: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1520211168979259393 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1520211168979259393 See also this tweet (which Elon replied to) which mentions the submitted link https://twitter.com/Cernovich/status/1520524301786435585 https://twitter.com/Cernovich/status/1520524301786435585

tptacek 4y ago
Oh, gross. This story doesn't support that batshit claim.
jjeaff 4y ago
These kind of tweets are just weird. He portrays himself as such a technical science based guy, but then makes random comments like this that are bound to create controversy. It's like he doesn't realize that millions of people read his tweets. It's stuff like this that really make me question his tactical and leadership abilities. I would think to build the kind of companies that he has built, one would need to be an excellent taction, know when you speak and when not to and know where to devote energy. Maybe he is just playing at a level I don't understand.
- deleted 4y ago
  [deleted]
- carlmr 4y ago
  >makes random comments like this that are bound to create controversy. Controversy means engagement, engagement leads to fame, fame is worth a lot of money if your companies are publicly listed.
- Jxl180 4y ago
  > but then makes random comments…It's like he doesn't realize that millions of people read his tweets. Yes, people on the autism spectrum often lack social awareness and are unable to process the same social cue’s as neurotypical individuals.
- rayiner 4y ago
  Or maybe he just had a random thought that he shared on Twitter, as people are wont to do.
  - jjeaff 4y ago
    But there is a huge difference. When you have millions of people listening, at some point you have to realize that everything you say publicly has the potential to create big problems.
- anamax 4y ago
  > It's like he doesn't realize that millions of people read his tweets. Do those millions of people have any responsibility for what they do after reading said tweets? I don't know about the rest of you, but whether Musk eats spinach has nothing to do with whether I will.
  - jjeaff 4y ago
    Of course they do. But do people in major leadership positions with worldwide reach bear any responsibility for what they say? Humans are social creatures. I'm willing to bet most of the things you do or say are heavily influenced by what other people do or say. For you, Musk may not be one of those people. But for many, he probably is.
jollybean 4y ago
Elon's arbitrary and uniformed comments and anecdotes about Medical tech are as bad as anything Pharma is doing. I wonder if he considers GSK's arbitrary promotion of their products as 'free speech' as well? There's a staggering lack of self awareness with this guy on this issue. There are zillions of fanboys and people 'influenced' by Musk and others, imagine a doctor prescribes 'ABC for depression' and a patient is reluctant, or worse, 'adamant' about the drug i.e. 'PeEPLE aRe dYInG!'. It's a common problem now in the medical field. If GSK can be held accountable for false or misleading information about something that 'causes harm' - then maybe so should Musk and others. At the same time, obviously, drugs do cause harm and sometimes without even any malign intent, so it becomes problematic then for regular, legitimate, 'good faith' investigation as well i.e. why should we trust '60 Minutes' investigation more than the FDC, the Drug Maker, or Elong Musk? It's tough. I don't know what the answer is, but it's a very serious issue we need to think about.
- jokethrowaway 4y ago
  Free speech doesn't exempt you from committing crimes. I'm against all regulations, I personally think we should have 3rd party companies reviewing products and the processes to create products and that anything should be sellable. That said, if the customers have an expectation that products need to have a certain characteristics to be sold because of regulations - if you bypass those regulations you are committing fraud to your customers. It would be equivalent to a company saying "The Health Reviewer Company X said our product is good for treating depression" when no such claim was made. It's pure and simple fraud - and they're free to say it and be sued into oblivion.
- nyokodo 4y ago
  > why should we trust '60 Minutes' investigation more than the FDC, the Drug Maker, or Elong Musk? It's tough. A major flaw in the culture is the disproportionate attention given to celebrity opinions.
  - jollybean 4y ago
    Yes, that's populism. But our journalistic enterprises are also flawed, so is governance. So it's hard.
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Auracle 4y ago
I really don't agree with this at all. I was put on antidepressants late in my teenage years for unexplained fatigue which was misdiagnosed as depression. I was first put on an SSRI - Lexapro. I went from 140 pounds to 180 in a month or two, and I certainly wasn't ravenously eating. I went off an on it a few times, and I can see how other people would have a really hard time getting off of it. I was also put on Wellbutrin, and that had no effect on my weight (if not slight weight loss), it was better as far as sexual side effects go, and it was easier to come off of. I now have a prescription for Adderall - again, for the fatigue - and I can see how some people could be addicted to it. Personally, I think it's a shame we can't just sell it over the counter. It's amazing for if you need to drive late at night, and it's the best damned cold medicine there is. If we could make an Adderall type stimulant where your brain downregulating receptors wasn't a factor a lot of people would lead significantly happier lives.