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I don’t think you have a lot of experience with long software projects. The pros of frameworks are outweighed by their cons pretty quickly. This effect is accel

by emsy 4y ago

I don’t think you have a lot of experience with long software projects. The pros of frameworks are outweighed by their cons pretty quickly. This effect is accelerated by shorter support times and an ever growing number of frameworks.

tluyben2 4y ago
Maybe depends what tech you work in? In the Java and .NET sphere things are pretty much stable over many years. We hardly had to do any work to to move our systems (quite large ones) across the same well supported frameworks to new versions the past decades and the fact everyone in these ecosystems know the popular frameworks well and the design patterns, it scales well to many and new people.
woojoo666 4y ago
Do you have any examples of web apps or websites with millions of users, and don't use any frameworks? The only one I can think of is HackerNews, funny enough.
- robocat 4y ago
  The more users, the less likely you are to use an off-the-shelf framework. Netflix: https://netflixtechblog.com/building-the-new-netflix-experience-for-tv-920d71d875de https://netflixtechblog.com/building-the-new-netflix-experie... Facebook: https://blog.risingstack.com/the-history-of-react-js-on-a-timeline/ https://blog.risingstack.com/the-history-of-react-js-on-a-ti... Edit: find out what framework (although it didn’t work on some urls I tried): https://www.wappalyzer.com/ https://www.wappalyzer.com/
  - twblalock 4y ago
    It's really more about the size of the company -- those companies have enough engineers to have large teams dedicated to their various frameworks and build systems. Some of the popular open source frameworks are derivatives of what these companies had already developed internally for themselves, e.g. React.
  - woojoo666 4y ago
    I may be wrong since this article is from 2018 but it seems like Netfix uses React for everything but their homepage [1]. Facebook uses it's own framework since, well, that framework is React. But their framework isn't some special-purposes framework built for Facebook's purposes either, it's a general purpose framework, used by tons of companies including Netfix. So I don't think many web tech companies are going to find success building their own special-purposes front-end frameworks, like some earlier comments seem to suggest. [1]: https://medium.com/dev-channel/a-netflix-web-performance-case-study-c0bcde26a9d9 https://medium.com/dev-channel/a-netflix-web-performance-cas...

by emsy 4y ago

tluyben2 4y ago

Maybe depends what tech you work in? In the Java and .NET sphere things are pretty much stable over many years. We hardly had to do any work to to move our systems (quite large ones) across the same well supported frameworks to new versions the past decades and the fact everyone in these ecosystems know the popular frameworks well and the design patterns, it scales well to many and new people.

woojoo666 4y ago

Do you have any examples of web apps or websites with millions of users, and don't use any frameworks? The only one I can think of is HackerNews, funny enough.

robocat 4y ago
The more users, the less likely you are to use an off-the-shelf framework. Netflix: https://netflixtechblog.com/building-the-new-netflix-experience-for-tv-920d71d875de https://netflixtechblog.com/building-the-new-netflix-experie... Facebook: https://blog.risingstack.com/the-history-of-react-js-on-a-timeline/ https://blog.risingstack.com/the-history-of-react-js-on-a-ti... Edit: find out what framework (although it didn’t work on some urls I tried): https://www.wappalyzer.com/ https://www.wappalyzer.com/
- twblalock 4y ago
  It's really more about the size of the company -- those companies have enough engineers to have large teams dedicated to their various frameworks and build systems. Some of the popular open source frameworks are derivatives of what these companies had already developed internally for themselves, e.g. React.
- woojoo666 4y ago
  I may be wrong since this article is from 2018 but it seems like Netfix uses React for everything but their homepage [1]. Facebook uses it's own framework since, well, that framework is React. But their framework isn't some special-purposes framework built for Facebook's purposes either, it's a general purpose framework, used by tons of companies including Netfix. So I don't think many web tech companies are going to find success building their own special-purposes front-end frameworks, like some earlier comments seem to suggest. [1]: https://medium.com/dev-channel/a-netflix-web-performance-case-study-c0bcde26a9d9 https://medium.com/dev-channel/a-netflix-web-performance-cas...