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And yet everyone says they can’t find enough talent. It can’t be both. PhDs can do more things this just become a professor, which does have a fixed number of
by azinman2 5y ago
And yet everyone says they can’t find enough talent.
It can’t be both. PhDs can do more things this just become a professor, which does have a fixed number of spots.
- mistrial9 5y ago> everyone says a vigorous and unending renegotiation between management, the agents of management, and people who "do it", in action.. advanced negotiating tactic - broadly give public opinion in mainstream media about "shortages" of whatever it is that you want more control over.. next, read carefully for market change and new entrants.. rewards, feast on newbs and do-gooders with special offers and limited term deals.. repeat..
- bluGill 5y agoI need specifc talent. I don't care how great you are a physics, pharmacy, mechanical engineering, or any of dozens of other PhDs that you might have, I'm hiring people who program and your degree isn't the right one.
- btrettel 5y agoDon't be too quick to write someone off for their degree. The best Python programmer I know has a PhD in civil engineering. And I've certainly got the impression that people write me off as a programmer far too soon because my PhD is in mechanical engineering.
- akhmatova 5y agoObviously a PhD is not a substitute for actual programming skills. But what is so specific about your needs that the candidate absolutely must have a CS degree -- and for which it simply will not suffice, as is nearly universally standard throughout the industry, to have "equivalent experience"?
- bluGill 5y agoI didn't say I'm hiring CS degrees. I just said a non CS degree isn't anything. There are lots of great programmers with many different backgrounds. However if you don't have a CS degree you need to prove you can program. Even those with a CS degree need to prove they can program, but odds are a bit better they can.
- akhmatova 5y agoI just said a non CS degree isn't anything. A strange view of the world (even the world programming), to say the least.
- bluGill 5y agoSome PhDs are great programmers. Some read half of how to learn YYY language in 24 hours and think they are god's gift to programming. In general I find people without a CD degree don't get why clean code is important. Since I'm on a project with tens of millions of lines of code (big, but I'm well aware that other projects are much bigger) clean code is important.
- akhmatova 5y agoWith you basically, but I phrase it as: "Without a CS degree or equivalent experience."
- azinman2 5y agoThe good news is there are more employment opportunities than just programming for these folks.
- okaram 5y agoMeh ... PhD are super-specialized, which is great if that's what you are looking for, but may not be particularly good if not. For example, a person with a PhD in history will probably be a good writer and researcher, but may need a couple of years training and experience before they're an amazing journalist, for example, and may only be OK at PR, even after a couple of years. If you want PR 'talent' then the history PhDs would not be very helpful. A bio PhD would be amazing at many things, but would probably suck as a nurse. So it's not just the raw talent, but also training and inclination.
- mhh__ 5y agoThis depends. I know people doing/with PhDs who are great theoreticians and good programmers but I also know people who (will) have all the creds in the world but simply know fuck all about actually making useful software/anything. Even in an industrial research context they'd be less useful than you'd think because they wouldn't be able to translate it into useful business applications.
- sjg007 5y ago>PhD are super-specialized Yes they have specific expertise in some field. But also they know how to do intendent research. This is the critical skill.
- azinman2 5y agoWhy do people need to change professions?