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But it's not a refutation at all

gruez 5y ago
1. maybe next time you should make a more substantive comment rather than something vague like "so what?" 2. What is a refutation then? The OP was the equivalent of getting cut off by a BMW, then lamenting how BMW drivers are "are so gross" and how you can them seriously when they "acts like petulant middle schoolers". If you don't think that counts as a refutation, what does?
- robertlagrant 5y ago
  You haven't demonstrated how your analogy is useful. OP's statement wasn't from a single instance of wrongdoing.
  - gruez 5y ago
    >OP's statement wasn't from a single instance of wrongdoing. He didn't list or make any explicit reference to any other instances. The entirety of the comment consists of: 1. assertion that "crypto people are so gross" 2. claiming that the actions of "a “major” platform" (singular) causes him to be unable to take current state of crypto seriously >You haven't demonstrated how your analogy is useful. Maybe BMW driver are actually "so gross", but on a forum like HN I expect more arguments backing that than just a reference to the current story.
    - robertlagrant 5y ago
      > on a forum like HN I expect more arguments backing that than just a reference to the current story Your expectations aren't likely to be met if you spend time on fallacies instead of just writing one line asking for more evidence as to why crypto people are gross.
- moron4hire 5y ago
  Yes, it's clear you don't know what a refutation is. "B is also Y" does not falsify "A is Y". OP never said "crypto is uniquely scummy" and you did not say "crypto is not scummy". The problem is that crypto advocates will spend all day bending your ear about how crypto is necessary for the good of humanity, and then as soon as you point out any of the bad shit happening, claim no honorable intentions were ever claimed, the existing system sucks anyway, get over it, buy my token loser.
  - gruez 5y ago
    >Yes, it's clear you don't know what a refutation is. "B is also Y" does not falsify "A is Y". linguistic descriptivism to the rescue! https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/refute https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/refute >2. (transitive, proscribed) To deny the truth or correctness of (something). >Usage notes >The second meaning of refute (“to deny the truth of”) is proscribed as erroneous by some (compare Merriam Webster,1994). An alternative term with such a meaning is repudiate, which means to reject or refuse to acknowledge, but without the implication of justification. However, this distinction does not exist in the original Latin refūtō (“oppose, resist, rebut”), which can apply to both senses. That said, I'll concede that it's not strictly not a refutation, because I don't think it's ultimately relevant to the conversation. >The problem is that crypto advocates will spend all day bending your ear about how crypto is necessary for the good of humanity, and then as soon as you point out any of the bad shit happening, claim no honorable intentions were ever claimed, the existing system sucks anyway, get over it, buy my token loser. I don't understand what your point here is. Are you claiming that Jump Trading or their leadership engages in the behavior that you mentioned? Or are you simply noting that there's crypto companies/people doing shady stuff?

1. maybe next time you should make a more substantive comment rather than something vague like "so what?" 2. What is a refutation then? The OP was the equivalent of getting cut off by a BMW, then lamenting how BMW drivers are "are so gross" and how you can them seriously when they "acts like petulant middle schoolers". If you don't think that counts as a refutation, what does?

robertlagrant 5y ago
You haven't demonstrated how your analogy is useful. OP's statement wasn't from a single instance of wrongdoing.
- gruez 5y ago
  >OP's statement wasn't from a single instance of wrongdoing. He didn't list or make any explicit reference to any other instances. The entirety of the comment consists of: 1. assertion that "crypto people are so gross" 2. claiming that the actions of "a “major” platform" (singular) causes him to be unable to take current state of crypto seriously >You haven't demonstrated how your analogy is useful. Maybe BMW driver are actually "so gross", but on a forum like HN I expect more arguments backing that than just a reference to the current story.
  - robertlagrant 5y ago
    > on a forum like HN I expect more arguments backing that than just a reference to the current story Your expectations aren't likely to be met if you spend time on fallacies instead of just writing one line asking for more evidence as to why crypto people are gross.
moron4hire 5y ago
Yes, it's clear you don't know what a refutation is. "B is also Y" does not falsify "A is Y". OP never said "crypto is uniquely scummy" and you did not say "crypto is not scummy". The problem is that crypto advocates will spend all day bending your ear about how crypto is necessary for the good of humanity, and then as soon as you point out any of the bad shit happening, claim no honorable intentions were ever claimed, the existing system sucks anyway, get over it, buy my token loser.
- gruez 5y ago
  >Yes, it's clear you don't know what a refutation is. "B is also Y" does not falsify "A is Y". linguistic descriptivism to the rescue! https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/refute https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/refute >2. (transitive, proscribed) To deny the truth or correctness of (something). >Usage notes >The second meaning of refute (“to deny the truth of”) is proscribed as erroneous by some (compare Merriam Webster,1994). An alternative term with such a meaning is repudiate, which means to reject or refuse to acknowledge, but without the implication of justification. However, this distinction does not exist in the original Latin refūtō (“oppose, resist, rebut”), which can apply to both senses. That said, I'll concede that it's not strictly not a refutation, because I don't think it's ultimately relevant to the conversation. >The problem is that crypto advocates will spend all day bending your ear about how crypto is necessary for the good of humanity, and then as soon as you point out any of the bad shit happening, claim no honorable intentions were ever claimed, the existing system sucks anyway, get over it, buy my token loser. I don't understand what your point here is. Are you claiming that Jump Trading or their leadership engages in the behavior that you mentioned? Or are you simply noting that there's crypto companies/people doing shady stuff?