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>Intel’s failing will redefine the industry in many ways. ARM and AMD and other players are taking chunks out of them at the cutting edge Failing? Have you loo

>Intel’s failing will redefine the industry in many ways. ARM and AMD and other players are taking chunks out of them at the cutting edge Failing? Have you looked at Intel's 12th Gen CPUs? This trope was valid till the 10th Gen 14nm++++ era from 2019 but you might have overslept the last couple of years. Intel has improved massively since then starting with 11th Gen and Xe graphics. Intel's 12th gen big-little tech really shook up the market and even AMD now is feeling the pressure.

smoldesu 5y ago
Not to mention, they intend to compete with Apple on transistor density before 2024. Time will tell how successful they are, but I do get a laugh out of the people who are counting Intel out of the game right now. Apple doesn't sell CPUs, they sell Macs. They aren't even competing in the same market segment.
7speter 5y ago
11th gen Intel chips were still 14nm, the top chip had less threads than the 10th gen because of the thermals, and intel xe was, iirc, only offered with the 11900/11900k (i.e. the top of the stack). Intel has had a stranglehold on integrated transcoders for a while but AMD’s integrated vega cores (soon to be RDNA2) still wipes the floor with current integrated XE offerings gaming wise…
- ChuckNorris89 5y ago
  >11th gen Intel chips were still 14nm Nope, 11th Gen was 10nm. You might be confusing it with 10th Gen which was a mix of 14 and 10 nm.
  - 7speter 5y ago
    Maybe the mobile products were? Desktop was 14nm: https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/212047/intel-core-i711700k-processor-16m-cache-up-to-5-00-ghz.html https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/212047/...
klelatti 5y ago
Intel adding big.LITTLE ten years after it appeared in Arm is an interesting development.
- turbinerneiter 5y ago
  One could argue it took ten years for Intel to have enough competition from ARM to actually wake up and do something again. I don't care, I got a 12th gen i7 with integrated graphics (in the weird time window and edge case where Intel was ahead of AMD again for a bit) which is super fast and was way better priced then Intel used to be. Comperition is good for consumers.
  - klelatti 5y ago
    Agreed - I think it’s indicative of a less insular attitude which can only be positive.
- ChuckNorris89 5y ago
  Well, desktop and laptop PCs didn't have the extreme power constraints that mobile devices had.
  - klelatti 5y ago
    So why are Intel using it now?
    - ChuckNorris89 5y ago
      The goal posts moved since then.
      - klelatti 5y ago
        Which goal posts? Competition from Apple?
        5y ago

smoldesu 5y ago

Not to mention, they intend to compete with Apple on transistor density before 2024. Time will tell how successful they are, but I do get a laugh out of the people who are counting Intel out of the game right now. Apple doesn't sell CPUs, they sell Macs. They aren't even competing in the same market segment.

7speter 5y ago

11th gen Intel chips were still 14nm, the top chip had less threads than the 10th gen because of the thermals, and intel xe was, iirc, only offered with the 11900/11900k (i.e. the top of the stack). Intel has had a stranglehold on integrated transcoders for a while but AMD’s integrated vega cores (soon to be RDNA2) still wipes the floor with current integrated XE offerings gaming wise…

ChuckNorris89 5y ago
>11th gen Intel chips were still 14nm Nope, 11th Gen was 10nm. You might be confusing it with 10th Gen which was a mix of 14 and 10 nm.
- 7speter 5y ago
  Maybe the mobile products were? Desktop was 14nm: https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/212047/intel-core-i711700k-processor-16m-cache-up-to-5-00-ghz.html https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/212047/...

klelatti 5y ago

Intel adding big.LITTLE ten years after it appeared in Arm is an interesting development.

turbinerneiter 5y ago
One could argue it took ten years for Intel to have enough competition from ARM to actually wake up and do something again. I don't care, I got a 12th gen i7 with integrated graphics (in the weird time window and edge case where Intel was ahead of AMD again for a bit) which is super fast and was way better priced then Intel used to be. Comperition is good for consumers.
- klelatti 5y ago
  Agreed - I think it’s indicative of a less insular attitude which can only be positive.
ChuckNorris89 5y ago
Well, desktop and laptop PCs didn't have the extreme power constraints that mobile devices had.
- klelatti 5y ago
  So why are Intel using it now?
  - ChuckNorris89 5y ago
    The goal posts moved since then.
    - klelatti 5y ago
      Which goal posts? Competition from Apple?
      - 5y ago