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Unpopular and potentially downvoted to oblivion opinion, but have to say this - this kind of reverences to Ive make me physically ill. He's still to be accounte

Unpopular and potentially downvoted to oblivion opinion, but have to say this - this kind of reverences to Ive make me physically ill. He's still to be accounted -alongside Apple- as one of the culprits of today's trend of irrepairability (and the consequent planned obsolescence) on devices for the sake of 'minimalism' and Dieter Rams wannabe designs.

ghaff 5y ago
IMO, you're giving Ive too much credit for both shaping consumer preference and forcing competitors to follow his lead. For the most part, people like thin and light and care much less about upgradability and repair.
- JKCalhoun 5y ago
  I agree but Ive was also a megaphone.
- solenoidalslide 5y ago
  To what ends? I don't think people care too much about diminishing returns. At that point it is a matter of which upgradability and repair tradeoffs. Was there a recent line of products that they offered featuring upgradability and repair we can compare to?
  - ghaff 5y ago
    Go back to about 2010 or so and MacBooks were reasonably repairable and upgradable by a fairly casual person. Batteries used to be routinely swappable in both phones and laptops.
    - solenoidalslide 5y ago
      The good ol iphone 3G days
Bud 5y ago
Can we stop this silliness. Computers do not become obsolete due to them being difficult to repair. They become obsolete because they become obsolete. Let's not just throw whatever we can find on the "right"-to-repair heap in an effort to desperately justify it. Justify it on its own terms. Or don't.
- kaladin-jasnah 5y ago
  I have a 7 year old desktop that is not obsolete since I can keep replacing stuff in it and upgrading it.
- harpiaharpyja 5y ago
  When something breaks and you cannot repair it, it becomes obsolete in the most concrete sense: it's no longer usable for it's intended purpose. Maybe your intended message is just unclear to me but your whole comment seems like pendantry without any substance.
ribit 5y ago
- raverbashing 5y ago
  No, but he's responsible for building a phone so thin it bends easily
- ok123456 5y ago
  The Samsung S5 wasn't compact, fast, or energy efficient compared to iPhones at the time?

ghaff 5y ago

IMO, you're giving Ive too much credit for both shaping consumer preference and forcing competitors to follow his lead. For the most part, people like thin and light and care much less about upgradability and repair.

JKCalhoun 5y ago
I agree but Ive was also a megaphone.
solenoidalslide 5y ago
To what ends? I don't think people care too much about diminishing returns. At that point it is a matter of which upgradability and repair tradeoffs. Was there a recent line of products that they offered featuring upgradability and repair we can compare to?
- ghaff 5y ago
  Go back to about 2010 or so and MacBooks were reasonably repairable and upgradable by a fairly casual person. Batteries used to be routinely swappable in both phones and laptops.
  - solenoidalslide 5y ago
    The good ol iphone 3G days

Bud 5y ago

Can we stop this silliness. Computers do not become obsolete due to them being difficult to repair. They become obsolete because they become obsolete. Let's not just throw whatever we can find on the "right"-to-repair heap in an effort to desperately justify it. Justify it on its own terms. Or don't.

kaladin-jasnah 5y ago
I have a 7 year old desktop that is not obsolete since I can keep replacing stuff in it and upgrading it.
harpiaharpyja 5y ago
When something breaks and you cannot repair it, it becomes obsolete in the most concrete sense: it's no longer usable for it's intended purpose. Maybe your intended message is just unclear to me but your whole comment seems like pendantry without any substance.

ribit 5y ago

raverbashing 5y ago
No, but he's responsible for building a phone so thin it bends easily
ok123456 5y ago
The Samsung S5 wasn't compact, fast, or energy efficient compared to iPhones at the time?