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> Phoebe S. K. Young finds that Americans have long struggled to decide what camping is, and who is allowed to do it Huh? Anyone is allowed to camp in designat

> Phoebe S. K. Young finds that Americans have long struggled to decide what camping is, and who is allowed to do it Huh? Anyone is allowed to camp in designated camping areas. No one is allowed to “camp” in random public areas. There is nothing anti-homeless about camping. Is this article for real?

clort 4y ago
The law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal bread. -- Anatole France (The Red Lily, 1894)
- dfadsadsf 4y ago
  Another aspect of majestic equality is that insider trading laws and AMT apply to both CEO and the poor living under bridges.
  - plasticchris 4y ago
    It’s majestically equal that they frequently pay the same amount of tax too ;)
  - EL_Loco 4y ago
    It's also magestically equal that both the CEO and the homeless are entitled to the lawyers they can afford.
- CyberRabbi 4y ago
  There are more effective and intentional ways to solve poverty than permitting theft and camping in public spaces.
  - objectivetruth 4y ago
  - foxyv 4y ago
    When those more effective ways are accomplished, then and only then would these laws be just.
    - CyberRabbi 4y ago
      So is it your position that we should legalize theft until poverty is solved? In what area of the world do you live?
      - foxyv 4y ago
        What I'm saying is feed and house the freakin homeless!
        CyberRabbi 4y ago
        Well you implied that laws against theft are not just. I disagree but disagreement is fine. Just, in what general area of the world do you live? I’m in Louisiana by the way.
pjmorris 4y ago
"As I went walking I saw a sign there, And on the sign it said "No Trespassing." But on the other side it didn't say nothing. That side was made for you and me." - 'This Land Is Your Land', Woody Guthrie
- loeg 4y ago
  Guthrie's position was and continues to be relatively extreme.
presentation 4y ago
"The camp is the space that is opened when the state of exception begins to become the rule." - Giorgio Agamben
compiler-guy 4y ago
The article starts at a time in American history where there weren’t campsites at all, and describes times and situations where certain people were either explicitly forbidden or highly discouraged from camping in designated places.
- usrn 4y ago
  This is still the case in very rural areas. I remember camping in the fields down by the river as a cub scout. You just had to ask the farmer who owns them first, he would always say yes.
sjg007 4y ago
You can camp anywhere you want in the national forests.
- PaulDavisThe1st 4y ago
  Almost. Got to be 1/4 mile from the nearest paved road.
- ghaff 4y ago
  Somewhat. Permits are required in some places, especially Wilderness Areas and other heavily-used places. There may also be maximum length of stay restrictions. (And actual campgrounds typically charge and have set spots.) National forests may also lease land for non-recreational use, e.g. lumber.
dillondoyle 4y ago
First, there is a huge amount of public lands where you can't just set up camp. National parks, lots of state parks, city mountain parks which are public and do allow camping have very limited permit access, rules, exclusions etc. Some lands which ostensibly should be dispersed camping allowed you can't even access bc you'd have to travel through private land. But your comment misses the entire crux of the article imho. It's not that camping is anti-homeless, it's that there has historically been - and still is - a societal judgement and double standard based on ethnicity, class, and housed status. It's about a double standard of the Govt forcing native Americans to give up their 'barbarous campfire life' while the rich were encouraged to have the same experience for the benefit of their health. Same happens today just not as extreme. Just to illustrate, i get this isn't the same as pitching a tent in front of someone's house. But society says it's not ok for the homeless to stay in their RVs on public streets but it is ok for people to stay the night in 150k sprinter vans. Not exaggerating, there are both happening in large numbers here in Denver. The difference is one can afford to move their place of rest around the other can't. I might try and take a photo at the Movement Baker gym there are 2 homeless RVs on the road and almost always at least 3 sprinters, usually one with doors totally open someone just chilling there living their day. Shower & internet inside. For the rich climbing dirt bag only though.

clort 4y ago

The law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal bread. -- Anatole France (The Red Lily, 1894)

dfadsadsf 4y ago
Another aspect of majestic equality is that insider trading laws and AMT apply to both CEO and the poor living under bridges.
- plasticchris 4y ago
  It’s majestically equal that they frequently pay the same amount of tax too ;)
- EL_Loco 4y ago
  It's also magestically equal that both the CEO and the homeless are entitled to the lawyers they can afford.
CyberRabbi 4y ago
There are more effective and intentional ways to solve poverty than permitting theft and camping in public spaces.
- objectivetruth 4y ago
- foxyv 4y ago
  When those more effective ways are accomplished, then and only then would these laws be just.
  - CyberRabbi 4y ago
    So is it your position that we should legalize theft until poverty is solved? In what area of the world do you live?
    - foxyv 4y ago
      What I'm saying is feed and house the freakin homeless!
      - CyberRabbi 4y ago
        Well you implied that laws against theft are not just. I disagree but disagreement is fine. Just, in what general area of the world do you live? I’m in Louisiana by the way.

pjmorris 4y ago

"As I went walking I saw a sign there, And on the sign it said "No Trespassing." But on the other side it didn't say nothing. That side was made for you and me." - 'This Land Is Your Land', Woody Guthrie

loeg 4y ago
Guthrie's position was and continues to be relatively extreme.

presentation 4y ago

"The camp is the space that is opened when the state of exception begins to become the rule." - Giorgio Agamben

compiler-guy 4y ago

The article starts at a time in American history where there weren’t campsites at all, and describes times and situations where certain people were either explicitly forbidden or highly discouraged from camping in designated places.

usrn 4y ago
This is still the case in very rural areas. I remember camping in the fields down by the river as a cub scout. You just had to ask the farmer who owns them first, he would always say yes.

sjg007 4y ago

You can camp anywhere you want in the national forests.

PaulDavisThe1st 4y ago
Almost. Got to be 1/4 mile from the nearest paved road.
ghaff 4y ago
Somewhat. Permits are required in some places, especially Wilderness Areas and other heavily-used places. There may also be maximum length of stay restrictions. (And actual campgrounds typically charge and have set spots.) National forests may also lease land for non-recreational use, e.g. lumber.

dillondoyle 4y ago

First, there is a huge amount of public lands where you can't just set up camp. National parks, lots of state parks, city mountain parks which are public and do allow camping have very limited permit access, rules, exclusions etc. Some lands which ostensibly should be dispersed camping allowed you can't even access bc you'd have to travel through private land. But your comment misses the entire crux of the article imho. It's not that camping is anti-homeless, it's that there has historically been - and still is - a societal judgement and double standard based on ethnicity, class, and housed status. It's about a double standard of the Govt forcing native Americans to give up their 'barbarous campfire life' while the rich were encouraged to have the same experience for the benefit of their health. Same happens today just not as extreme. Just to illustrate, i get this isn't the same as pitching a tent in front of someone's house. But society says it's not ok for the homeless to stay in their RVs on public streets but it is ok for people to stay the night in 150k sprinter vans. Not exaggerating, there are both happening in large numbers here in Denver. The difference is one can afford to move their place of rest around the other can't. I might try and take a photo at the Movement Baker gym there are 2 homeless RVs on the road and almost always at least 3 sprinters, usually one with doors totally open someone just chilling there living their day. Shower & internet inside. For the rich climbing dirt bag only though.