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Couple isolated data points upon further investigation/thought: - This $100 million represents 0.19% of their endowment fund - African-Americans made up 8.5%

Couple isolated data points upon further investigation/thought: - This $100 million represents 0.19% of their endowment fund - African-Americans made up 8.5% of the student population in 2021 There are certainly other factors that I'm ignorant of, but it does kind of put the $100 million in perspective.

extra88 4y ago
Where is that student stat from? Is that of all undergrads and grad students combined? The incoming College class is 15.5% African American or Black and the percentage has been like that for a number of years; it’s comparable to the U.S. population. https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2022/4/1/admissions-class-of-2026/ https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2022/4/1/admissions-class...
- FFRefresh 4y ago
  [1] was my source, which looks like it's combining both undergraduate and graduate population demographics for the year 2020-2021. I would certainly trust the number you are sharing for the incoming class, but the graduate population may be much more unrepresentative of the US population. This [2] source suggests that may be the case. [1] https://www.univstats.com/colleges/harvard-university/student-population/ https://www.univstats.com/colleges/harvard-university/studen... [2] https://www.collegetuitioncompare.com/edu/166027/harvard-university/enrollment/#race-block https://www.collegetuitioncompare.com/edu/166027/harvard-uni...
  - extra88 4y ago
    The student population numbers look too high, I think they include the Extension School which offers certificates, undergraduate degrees, and graduate degrees. That also explains how there are so many students over 25 at both the graduate and undergraduate level. >30,000 people take Extension courses [0] every year so those stats might only include Extension students enrolled in an undergraduate or graduate degree program. The Extension School doesn't have a traditional application process and its courses are cheaper, per-credit, but it also doesn't have the financial aid offerings of the other Schools. BTW, in the U.S. overall, ~13.5% of graduate students are Black or African American [1]. [0] https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2018/11/30/dce-statistics-2018/ https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2018/11/30/dce-statistics... [1] https://www.equityinhighered.org/indicators/enrollment-in-graduate-education/race-and-ethnicity-of-u-s-graduate-students/ https://www.equityinhighered.org/indicators/enrollment-in-gr...
    - FFRefresh 4y ago
      Thanks for sharing more sources to help provide light on the potential reality of the student population. Here's more data I was able to find, from Harvard itself [1]. This enrollment data breaks out by College vs Graduate/Professional vs Extension. In Fall of 2021, African-Americans represented 9.37% of College enrollment, 6.12% of Graduate/Professional enrollment, and 4.11% of Extension enrollment. From looking at this data, it seems like the original 8.5% number is likely in the ballpark for those enrolled. The picture that is emerging from the data points shared is that the percentage drops at each stage of the educational journey (The share admitted is not holding to those enrolled in the College, and it's not holding to those enrolled in graduate/professional degree programs). [1] https://oir.harvard.edu/fact-book/enrollment https://oir.harvard.edu/fact-book/enrollment
      - extra88 4y ago
        I know the admissions percentages for the College has been consistently over 10% for a while now so a total College enrollment of 9.37% would imply a disturbing dropout/flunk out rate. I don't think that is happening. Instead, I think the difference is due to the College admissions statistics [0] not being as detailed; in particular, I bet many of the students listed as "two or more races" in the other stats identified as Black or African American during admissions (or the Admissions dept. simplified the data presented). [0] https://college.harvard.edu/admissions/admissions-statistics https://college.harvard.edu/admissions/admissions-statistics

extra88 4y ago

Where is that student stat from? Is that of all undergrads and grad students combined? The incoming College class is 15.5% African American or Black and the percentage has been like that for a number of years; it’s comparable to the U.S. population. https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2022/4/1/admissions-class-of-2026/ https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2022/4/1/admissions-class...

FFRefresh 4y ago
[1] was my source, which looks like it's combining both undergraduate and graduate population demographics for the year 2020-2021. I would certainly trust the number you are sharing for the incoming class, but the graduate population may be much more unrepresentative of the US population. This [2] source suggests that may be the case. [1] https://www.univstats.com/colleges/harvard-university/student-population/ https://www.univstats.com/colleges/harvard-university/studen... [2] https://www.collegetuitioncompare.com/edu/166027/harvard-university/enrollment/#race-block https://www.collegetuitioncompare.com/edu/166027/harvard-uni...
- extra88 4y ago
  The student population numbers look too high, I think they include the Extension School which offers certificates, undergraduate degrees, and graduate degrees. That also explains how there are so many students over 25 at both the graduate and undergraduate level. >30,000 people take Extension courses [0] every year so those stats might only include Extension students enrolled in an undergraduate or graduate degree program. The Extension School doesn't have a traditional application process and its courses are cheaper, per-credit, but it also doesn't have the financial aid offerings of the other Schools. BTW, in the U.S. overall, ~13.5% of graduate students are Black or African American [1]. [0] https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2018/11/30/dce-statistics-2018/ https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2018/11/30/dce-statistics... [1] https://www.equityinhighered.org/indicators/enrollment-in-graduate-education/race-and-ethnicity-of-u-s-graduate-students/ https://www.equityinhighered.org/indicators/enrollment-in-gr...
  - FFRefresh 4y ago
    Thanks for sharing more sources to help provide light on the potential reality of the student population. Here's more data I was able to find, from Harvard itself [1]. This enrollment data breaks out by College vs Graduate/Professional vs Extension. In Fall of 2021, African-Americans represented 9.37% of College enrollment, 6.12% of Graduate/Professional enrollment, and 4.11% of Extension enrollment. From looking at this data, it seems like the original 8.5% number is likely in the ballpark for those enrolled. The picture that is emerging from the data points shared is that the percentage drops at each stage of the educational journey (The share admitted is not holding to those enrolled in the College, and it's not holding to those enrolled in graduate/professional degree programs). [1] https://oir.harvard.edu/fact-book/enrollment https://oir.harvard.edu/fact-book/enrollment
    - extra88 4y ago
      I know the admissions percentages for the College has been consistently over 10% for a while now so a total College enrollment of 9.37% would imply a disturbing dropout/flunk out rate. I don't think that is happening. Instead, I think the difference is due to the College admissions statistics [0] not being as detailed; in particular, I bet many of the students listed as "two or more races" in the other stats identified as Black or African American during admissions (or the Admissions dept. simplified the data presented). [0] https://college.harvard.edu/admissions/admissions-statistics https://college.harvard.edu/admissions/admissions-statistics