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Hi. I'm Sebastian, and I don't lie very often, certainly not about ridiculous stuff. You're conflating two stories: 1. I had a mugging attempt in a bad part of

Hi. I'm Sebastian, and I don't lie very often, certainly not about ridiculous stuff. You're conflating two stories: 1. I had a mugging attempt in a bad part of Saigon (by the slums by the river after exploring) and I kicked one of the muggers in the stomach and shouted at the other. 2. I got into a shouting match with a gangster in a McDonald's who had been yelling at the employees and spat on the floor, and was otherwise being a jackass. I told him to knock it off, a shouting match ensued, and later two police officers came, one with riot gear. The closest I ever came to jumpkicking was when I got into a fight in a brothel when they tried to shake me down for extra cash afterwards. I kicked one of the guys after he grabbed me roughly. But even then, I didn't jumpkick - that's more of a movies thing than a real life thing. Anyways, I can understand your skepticism, though the rudeness is unnecessary - you could just ask if you wanted details.

HeyItsDiogenes 15y ago
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- suyash 15y ago
  haha..good one!
Flam 15y ago
Get this man a lion heart medal!
0x12 15y ago
http://www.sebastianmarshall.com/the-genius-and-tragedy-of-patrick-mckenzie http://www.sebastianmarshall.com/the-genius-and-tragedy-of-p... On the day you delete that post I'll consider reading your blog again. Until then not a chance.
- angelbob 15y ago
  I actually liked that post, though I can see why Patrick didn't.
  - codeslush 15y ago
    Me too, sans the over use of "dude" - had not read it previously, so thanks. To me, it is actually a compliment of the highest degree.
- rwallace 15y ago
  I think that's a good post. I don't know Patrick so I can't comment on the specifics about him, but it makes a good general point in a powerful way.
- lionhearted 15y ago
  Well, that's a shame. You're a smart commentor on here and seem like a decent guy, so I'd enjoy you reading my site if there was value in it for you. Alas though, I can't take random delete requests because a point was controversial. I certainly overstepped my bounds with that post and publicly apologized, and also offered to Patrick - and him alone - that I'd take it down if he preferred. He didn't ask me to, so I didn't. I wrote a long reply here with my thoughts and lessons - http://www.sebastianmarshall.com/lessons-learned-from-a-firestorm-of-controversy http://www.sebastianmarshall.com/lessons-learned-from-a-fire... And, of course I can't just delete a post because someone is offended, or we'd never discuss anything controversial. I respect you taking a principled stand, and it's a kind of a bummer that a smart guy doesn't read my site any more. But life goes on. Can please some of the people some of the time, and all that...
  - 0x12 15y ago
    > and also offered to Patrick - and him alone - that I'd take it down if he preferred. He didn't ask me to, so I didn't. You can read that in many different ways. The way I read it does not make you look very good. Of course he didn't ask you to. Try putting yourself in his position. He has to ask (beg?) you to remove something that should have never happened in the first place? Does it make you good when people whose name and reputation you use to raise your own visibility then have to come crawling to you to please remove the stuff you write? When you wrote that piece you were just being silly. After truly grokking why it was a stupid piece leaving it up is malicious, not accidental. So, don't be a jerk, take it down. Leaving it up doesn't diminish Patrick in any way, but it sure diminishes you.
    - lionhearted 15y ago
      I appreciate that you're sharing your perspective here, but we see this about 180 degrees differently. This, for instance - > When you wrote that piece you were just being silly. After truly grokking why it was a stupid piece Actually, I stand by every point I wrote in that piece and the followup - the problem was in involving another person without clearing it with them, which was out of line. But all the points stand and no malice was intended. Beyond that, I explicitly asked by email if he wanted it deleted - no asking or begging required. > So, don't be a jerk, take it down. Leaving it up doesn't diminish Patrick in any way, but it sure diminishes you. Reasonable minds can disagree. I stand by all the points in that post, apologized for the impoliteness of involving someone else before it clearing it with them, but if you're trying to honestly explore controversial ideas, you simply can't just delete things you stand by because an unrelated third party thinks it should be done. In any event, cheers for sharing your perspective - we're in about 180 degree philosophical disagreement here, but you did make some good points worth thinking about.
- white_devil 15y ago
  Are you sure you're not overreacting? Sebastian strongly believes that Patrick should use his genius (as he put it) to make a lot more money for himself. He wrote a post explaining that in great detail. What's wrong with that?
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HeyItsDiogenes 15y ago

http://i.imgur.com/F2mNP.png http://i.imgur.com/F2mNP.png

suyash 15y ago
haha..good one!

Flam 15y ago

Get this man a lion heart medal!

0x12 15y ago

http://www.sebastianmarshall.com/the-genius-and-tragedy-of-patrick-mckenzie http://www.sebastianmarshall.com/the-genius-and-tragedy-of-p... On the day you delete that post I'll consider reading your blog again. Until then not a chance.

angelbob 15y ago
I actually liked that post, though I can see why Patrick didn't.
- codeslush 15y ago
  Me too, sans the over use of "dude" - had not read it previously, so thanks. To me, it is actually a compliment of the highest degree.
rwallace 15y ago
I think that's a good post. I don't know Patrick so I can't comment on the specifics about him, but it makes a good general point in a powerful way.
lionhearted 15y ago
Well, that's a shame. You're a smart commentor on here and seem like a decent guy, so I'd enjoy you reading my site if there was value in it for you. Alas though, I can't take random delete requests because a point was controversial. I certainly overstepped my bounds with that post and publicly apologized, and also offered to Patrick - and him alone - that I'd take it down if he preferred. He didn't ask me to, so I didn't. I wrote a long reply here with my thoughts and lessons - http://www.sebastianmarshall.com/lessons-learned-from-a-firestorm-of-controversy http://www.sebastianmarshall.com/lessons-learned-from-a-fire... And, of course I can't just delete a post because someone is offended, or we'd never discuss anything controversial. I respect you taking a principled stand, and it's a kind of a bummer that a smart guy doesn't read my site any more. But life goes on. Can please some of the people some of the time, and all that...
- 0x12 15y ago
  > and also offered to Patrick - and him alone - that I'd take it down if he preferred. He didn't ask me to, so I didn't. You can read that in many different ways. The way I read it does not make you look very good. Of course he didn't ask you to. Try putting yourself in his position. He has to ask (beg?) you to remove something that should have never happened in the first place? Does it make you good when people whose name and reputation you use to raise your own visibility then have to come crawling to you to please remove the stuff you write? When you wrote that piece you were just being silly. After truly grokking why it was a stupid piece leaving it up is malicious, not accidental. So, don't be a jerk, take it down. Leaving it up doesn't diminish Patrick in any way, but it sure diminishes you.
  - lionhearted 15y ago
    I appreciate that you're sharing your perspective here, but we see this about 180 degrees differently. This, for instance - > When you wrote that piece you were just being silly. After truly grokking why it was a stupid piece Actually, I stand by every point I wrote in that piece and the followup - the problem was in involving another person without clearing it with them, which was out of line. But all the points stand and no malice was intended. Beyond that, I explicitly asked by email if he wanted it deleted - no asking or begging required. > So, don't be a jerk, take it down. Leaving it up doesn't diminish Patrick in any way, but it sure diminishes you. Reasonable minds can disagree. I stand by all the points in that post, apologized for the impoliteness of involving someone else before it clearing it with them, but if you're trying to honestly explore controversial ideas, you simply can't just delete things you stand by because an unrelated third party thinks it should be done. In any event, cheers for sharing your perspective - we're in about 180 degree philosophical disagreement here, but you did make some good points worth thinking about.
white_devil 15y ago
Are you sure you're not overreacting? Sebastian strongly believes that Patrick should use his genius (as he put it) to make a lot more money for himself. He wrote a post explaining that in great detail. What's wrong with that?

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