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I'm a happy Hetzner baremetal (and OVH) user, just don't use Hetzner's Finland DC, the network is very unpredictable (a lot of random packet loss).

by mgbmtl 4y ago

usr1106 4y ago
You don't say where you notice that packet loss from, so I guess you are talking about the US? The by far biggest cable goes from Finland to Germany. No idea what happens after that. I believe Hetzner uses it and I have never heard that they wouldn't have enough bandwidth. But I have neither inside knowledge nor do I use them. Being in Finland myself I have better latencies from real cheap Scaleway in Paris than from far more expensive AWS in Frankfurt. So it's not always you get what you pay for. Still no drops from either. Maybe Hetzner has more noisy neighbor issues because they are cheaper? The same could hold for Scaleway, but I have never noticed anything.
- mgbmtl 4y ago
  I'm from Canada. The packet loss can be really random. Despite having various checks between our servers at various providers, and being fairly sure the problem is Hetzner, they always blame the other network.
- jhugo 4y ago
  > The by far biggest cable goes from Finland to Germany. No idea what happens after that. I believe Hetzner uses it and I have never heard that they wouldn't have enough bandwidth. But I have neither inside knowledge nor do I use them. Packet loss can have numerous causes, not having enough bandwidth is one but faulty or misconfigured gear or misconfigured routing can also cause issues. > Maybe Hetzner has more noisy neighbor issues because they are cheaper? The same could hold for Scaleway, but I have never noticed anything. Yeah, in general, cheaper virtual servers are more likely to have these problems, just like cheaper bandwidth is more likely to be oversold. Low-cost providers can push it pretty far if most of their customers are hosting low-to-moderate-traffic websites or other HTTP services, which are pretty forgiving of steal time, low-level packet loss & latency.

I'm a happy Hetzner baremetal (and OVH) user, just don't use Hetzner's Finland DC, the network is very unpredictable (a lot of random packet loss).

by mgbmtl 4y ago

I'm a happy Hetzner baremetal (and OVH) user, just don't use Hetzner's Finland DC, the network is very unpredictable (a lot of random packet loss).

usr1106 4y ago

You don't say where you notice that packet loss from, so I guess you are talking about the US? The by far biggest cable goes from Finland to Germany. No idea what happens after that. I believe Hetzner uses it and I have never heard that they wouldn't have enough bandwidth. But I have neither inside knowledge nor do I use them. Being in Finland myself I have better latencies from real cheap Scaleway in Paris than from far more expensive AWS in Frankfurt. So it's not always you get what you pay for. Still no drops from either. Maybe Hetzner has more noisy neighbor issues because they are cheaper? The same could hold for Scaleway, but I have never noticed anything.

mgbmtl 4y ago
I'm from Canada. The packet loss can be really random. Despite having various checks between our servers at various providers, and being fairly sure the problem is Hetzner, they always blame the other network.
jhugo 4y ago
> The by far biggest cable goes from Finland to Germany. No idea what happens after that. I believe Hetzner uses it and I have never heard that they wouldn't have enough bandwidth. But I have neither inside knowledge nor do I use them. Packet loss can have numerous causes, not having enough bandwidth is one but faulty or misconfigured gear or misconfigured routing can also cause issues. > Maybe Hetzner has more noisy neighbor issues because they are cheaper? The same could hold for Scaleway, but I have never noticed anything. Yeah, in general, cheaper virtual servers are more likely to have these problems, just like cheaper bandwidth is more likely to be oversold. Low-cost providers can push it pretty far if most of their customers are hosting low-to-moderate-traffic websites or other HTTP services, which are pretty forgiving of steal time, low-level packet loss & latency.