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For folks in this thread making statements such as, "I don't see how one can dictate to others what they should find attractive," the negative social stigmas to

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• rayiner 4y ago
  > Swap "short guy" for "Jew" in the quotations I feel like I need to point out that nobody ever genocided millions of short guys based on their height. :-/
  • ajwfew 4y ago
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  • thangalin 4y ago
    s/Jew/woman; s/Jew/black man; s/Jew/elderly; etc.
• chrisseaton 4y ago
  Even people I respect use 'short' as some kind of slur against people they don't like. For example against Putin. (Doesn't matter what you think of Putin - slurs based on personal appearance are always wrong against anyone full stop.)
  • ss108 4y ago
    I think in the case of Putin, there may be some justification on the basis that he and his supporters (including in the West) portray him as super macho, etc. On balance though, I think I agree with you.
  • izzydata 4y ago
    This is the one aspect of the show "Last Week Tonight" that always irked me. He makes fun of peoples appearances too much. It's just not good comedy or even a good insult in my opinion.
    • tsol 4y ago
      Yeah it's soured me on him over time. Jon Stewart held against people their behavior, but John goes all over the map and sometimes it just makes him less convincing IMO
      • jrgoff 4y ago
        I like them both but disappointingly, they both insult people based on superficial traits. Seems like every time Stewart talked about Mitch McConnell he would do the turtle thing where he made fun of the way McConnell looks and speaks.
    • Zenbit_UX 4y ago
      The one person whose appearance John Oliver has made fun of more than any other is, John Oliver. Aside from that, he punches up, politicians, celebreties and sometimes just random people, but always in playful manner. Hes quite fond of absurdist rants and comments, I find it thoroughly entertaining.
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    • johnny22 4y ago
      as a "libturd" like you say, I don't like to call trump fat or talk about how he was "gay for putin" or any of that. It's not cool at all. Got plenty of other actual criticism. The only reason I'd even consider talking about trump and his apperance in a denigrating fashion is because he's so damn vain. Even so, i try to avoid it.
• SamoyedFurFluff 4y ago
  Yeah ngl I wish people would move on from denigrating people on factors like appearance, poverty, disability, etc. and more on things like being inauthentic, unempathetic, manipulative, etc.
  • teaearlgrey-hot 4y ago
    That would require the persons in question to self-reflect. It’s not often a process that people who denigrate others generally engage with.
    • Xeronate 4y ago
      And following that I think people need to think about if they really want a person that thinks that. I'm 5'10" and feel like I do fine in the market despite not being over 6 foot and not mentioning my job or any of the other stuff people don't want to be judged on. I'm sure plenty of girls pass on me, but I truly wouldn't want to be with them anyway.
      • ss108 4y ago
        ...you're not short. facepalm According to the article, if you're in the US, that's an inch above average.
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• ravenstine 4y ago
  > There's absolutely nothing wrong with women finding taller men attractive. It's another thing if it becomes more a cultural expectation than an actual attraction, and I think the reaction would be rather different if enough men decided not to date women who don't have at least D cups.
  • jeffbee 4y ago
    Well that's an interesting response. Surveyed women of median height prefer men of above-median height. But a D cup bra size is below the median for American adult females (which is a 34DD). I have no idea why popular imagination believes the bra size scale goes from A to D. Edited with context: The point is that men don't just prefer larger and larger breasts; there is a peak in preference for medium breast sizes[1]. But women do prefer as tall a man as they can get; there is no peak in male partner height preference among females.[2] 1: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3210352/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3210352/ 2: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0191886913000020 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S01918...
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    • ravenstine 4y ago
      I only chose D because it's the one guys seem to be most familiar with. No clue why we seem to still think it stops at D. I guess I'm part of the problem there.
    • aaaaaaaaaaab 4y ago
      I think it’s not the absolute cup size that matters for men, if you know what I mean.
    • hervature 4y ago
      In case people don't know, there's actually two measurements. The first number is the band size (the circumference of your chest under the boob) and the letter signifies how many inches the circumference of your bust is above the first number. A = 1 inch, B = 2 inches, C = 3 inches, D = 4 inches, E/DD = 5 inches, etc. So, taking the median here is kind of confusing. Also, I imagine this distribution is bi-modal with healthy/fit people around 32C and overweight people at 36F.
• galoisscobi 4y ago
  I was bullied a lot for being short in high school and at home I was pressured to hang on the pull up bar "to get taller". I hope we stop doing this to people. My experiences in high school deeply affected my mental health.
  • leereeves 4y ago
    I also hope we stop doing this to people. But on the topic of hanging, just out of curiosity, I'd like to mention: I've been reading about the benefits of dead hangs for shoulder health, and I've seen a few comments from people who claim that dead hangs actually did make them taller. I wonder whether it's true.
    • ummonk 4y ago
      No idea about dead hangs specifically, but good posture (which requires strengthening the right muscles) probably adds a fair bit of height over bad posture, and bone can stretch slightly in response to exercise. That said, the benefits of good health, better confidence, etc. from strength training probably far outweigh any benefits from increased height.
• recuter 4y ago
  “Glory crowns the deeds of those who expose themselves to toils and dangers.” ― Alexander the Great
  • rsynnott 4y ago
    Well, yes, but he was short, so who cares what he says? (/s, obviously) Incidentally, A. T. Great is maybe evidence that this is a modern fixation, not something that's always been with us. It's fairly clear that he was unusually short, but there's little indication that anyone thought much of it; by contrast, the idea that Napoleon (who wasn't even short!) was short was a propaganda point for the UK.
    • recuter 4y ago
      He was Alexander. That is why no one cared.
      • rsynnott 4y ago
        Caesar was Caesar, but he was supposedly pretty sensitive about his (lack of) hair, and contemporary historians (ancient Roman historians were a bit closer to gossip columnists than modern historians) went on about it a lot. You don't really seem to get the same thing for Alexander.
        • recuter 4y ago
          I very much doubt Caesar was sensitive about his hair or worried what low rent individuals think of him.
    • Tao332 4y ago
      It's entirely possible that anti-short stigma in Anglo-American culture is actually born out of this propaganda, and not the other way around. The campaign was so effective that you used to hear people say ambitious shorter men had a "Napoleon Complex" -- and there's no way they would have thought that if propaganda hadn't first cemented the idea that Napoleon was short.
• Crabber 4y ago
  Stop basing your entire worldview on what 20 women said on twitter.com in 2014
  • havelhovel 4y ago
    What a remarkably insensitive and dismissive take on someone providing primary sources to bolster their case.
    • stickfigure 4y ago
      Parent has a point. You can find any manner of horrible on twitter, especially if you reach back far enough. Twitter is not a "primary source" in the wikipedia sense.
      • havelhovel 4y ago
        Parent doesn’t have a point because they’re rejecting the reality of height discrimination and the language that perpetuates it. Pretending like this isn’t a thing isn’t constructive, and reinforces the original point that this wouldn’t be tolerated with respect to race.
        • Crabber 4y ago
          >Pretending like this isn’t a thing isn’t constructive, and reinforces the original point that this wouldn’t be tolerated with respect to race. You could just as easily go and find 20 tweets from 2014 of women saying they refuse to date black men. If you build your worldview by cherry picking the opinions of 20 twitter users out of 300 million and treating them as gospel then you can create any bleak reality you want.
          • fenderbluesjr 4y ago
            If I assert that many people like Justin Bieber and show you many tweets saying as much, do you infer that it was the tweets that made me form this opinion?
• voldacar 4y ago
  If women aren't morally compelled to find short men attractive, why are they morally compelled to not feel negatively about them in general? I don't see how anyone is morally obligated to feel any way about any other human. It's just really weird to me that some people get angry about being short (understandably so) but instead of just admitting that, they turn to some kind of universalist morality as a way of shifting the burden to others
  • shortzportz 4y ago
    What burden? Treating everyone with respect and giving everyone a fair chance isn't a burden.
• Maursault 4y ago
  I never really believe what women tell me. -Steven Wright Though I believe what is said is (most usually) more important than who said what, I think even they will tell you, regarding statements like these, to consider the source. Also, rock stars, actors and fighter pilots always had insane game, and the tall ones are an anomaly (though, last 20 years or so, there has been a notable increase in average height due to a handful of extremely tall actors getting roles).
• the_only_law 4y ago
  > Swap "short guy" for "Jew" in the quotations from those twits that have nothing to do with attraction: Yes, I can do that for any statement and it has the same impact replace “people who are mean to me” with “Jews” in the sentence “I hate people who are mean to me”. I don’t actually disagree with your content though.