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Yep. Nobody wants to talk about it, but the amount of abuse that is directed from otherwise-socially-conscious women towards short men is pretty disgusting. It'

• 2OEH8eoCRo0 4y ago
  I'm 5'5" and 120 lbs and that hasn't been my experience. My past promiscuity is the butt of jokes far more often than my stature.
  • kodah 4y ago
    Personally, the short men I know still get play. Women have a wide variety of tastes, as do men; and the taste really just needs to be tried once to get a probability for it to stick. That said, women being callous and cruel in groups about height, fitness, etc is more congruent to locker room talk. You probably won't hear it because it's behind your back and usually not by people you know. I say that as having been witness to this kind of private talk before.
    • 2OEH8eoCRo0 4y ago
      Yeah. My point about promiscuity is that it hasn't hindered my dating ability. I agree with the locker room talk but I disagree that it's a problem. And it's not just women. If anything I've had my stature shit talked more often by other men.
      • kodah 4y ago
        I was just summarizing why I think you probably wouldn't hear it directly from women. Men definitely do it too, but as you said, probably in a more noticeable/direct fashion. That said, after years of social movements that have made very targeted complaints using identity, I would not cast that kind of stone. Trying to use shitty data and anecdotes to declare, "Men/women are problematic because of x" is really not helpful. Really, at the end of the day, nobody on this planet has any business commenting on someone's features they were born with. It's easy enough to stick to that.
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• aortega 4y ago
  Didn't see any study about that, but its true that women not only reject unfit men (short, poor, etc.) but sometimes are actively hostile and abusive to them. Perhaps is a instinctive behavior from a past were rapes were much more common than today.
• maxcan 4y ago
  100%, but you're right that nobody wants to talk about it. I guess I've just adapted by growing thick skin around the issue and just not letting it bother me. That thick skin is, IMHO, a trait that I think has become vastly underappreciated in our society.
  • Tao332 4y ago
    "Thick skin" is rare enough in the 21st century to count as a superpower.
  • bradlys 4y ago
    Thick skin doesn’t solve the issue though. Shorter men are valued less in society regardless of how little you let it effect you emotionally. This has real tangible effects for your everyday experience. Being made fun of and the source of jokes is never going to be solved by having “thick skin”. Shorter men will still be seen as lesser even if they don’t let it effect them mentally. End of the day - your material being will be markedly different than those with greater height regardless of how you respond to it. For some - this will be so severe that they will likely die alone due to it even though they themselves are not troubled by their height or the jokes people make about them. And honestly - letting it get to you might actually help. Sometimes I wish I had been more insecure growing up because then I would’ve treated my acne and not had all the facial scarring. I almost didn’t get braces because I didn’t see the issue with my extremely British teeth. I wasn’t concerned about my attire (but I should have been!) because I didn’t think it mattered and I wasn’t concerned. Again - thick skin can actually be quite detrimental to your outcomes!
  • EricDeb 4y ago
    True but we certainly don't tell anyone else in modern society to simply develop thick skin towards unnecessary abuse (minorities, lgbtq, etc)
    • iaml 4y ago
      This happens more often then you think. I’ve seen basically every minority group imaginable get told to develop thick skin and get over their “imaginary problems” (black, asian, indian, gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgender, asexual, straight, poor, rich etc), even on more liberal corners of the internet.
• lupire 4y ago
  Almost all "socially conscious" people are just pretending so they fit in. Only ~10% of people have actual social consciousness that affects their life choices.
• rectang 4y ago
  We'd be in a better place if we started from the assumption that everybody is prejudiced, it takes work for any of us to overcome it, and the work is never complete. I've seen hypocrisy and cruelty from people of all backgrounds. But anecdotally, among the "socially conscious women" I've spent time around, this, which is one of three top comments on the article, is a common sentiment: > This is a reminder that the patriarchy hurts everyone and men should be just as invested in destroying it as women.
  • daenz 4y ago
    Why is women demeaning men for being short a symptom of the patriarchy?
    • rectang 4y ago
      It's an example of the harms that emerge from hidebound gender roles, preconceptions about the desirability of male dominance and female submission, and stultified ideals of attractiveness. Just as women benefit when society learns to accept and appreciate a wider variety of body types, so do men.
      • hackerfromthefu 4y ago
        Thats not a patriarchy thing, it's a gender assumptions thing. Calling it patriarchy is just another in the long stream insults to maleness that has become common, in the worst sense of the word common.
      • daenz 4y ago
        Doesn't this only make sense though if patriarchy is a priori defined by gender roles? It falls apart if any non-patriarchal system develops or prefers any gender roles. On what basis is it claimed that only a patriarchy has gender roles?
        • amanaplanacanal 4y ago
          You are talking about “a patriarchy”, they are talking about “the patriarchy”. In other words this particular one we are living in with it’s built in assumed gender roles.