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Click bait headline. They removed apps that haven’t been updated in 3 years. This means the apps won’t support the latest devices, screen sizes, etc. why would

Click bait headline. They removed apps that haven’t been updated in 3 years. This means the apps won’t support the latest devices, screen sizes, etc. why would Apple continue selling apps which will work poorly on a customers phone?

goosedragons 5y ago
Yet they keep apps that haven't been updated for even longer periods of time that just get more downloads. Why do they keep letting people download apps that work poorly on a customers phone?
- basisword 5y ago
  Start with the low download apps so that the more “important” apps get the message and update. If an app is downloaded lots it’s a toss up between giving customers the best experience and keeping an app they need available.
  - _aavaa_ 5y ago
    > it’s a toss up between giving customers the best experience and keeping an app they need available. There is no toss up. Any move that removed “an app [people] need” is completely opposed “to giving customers the best experience”.
    - saurik 5y ago
      Remember that people like basisword believe they know better than normal people what is good for them, and so in their mindset they seriously believe that it is somehow doing right by users to protect them from their beliefs about what they "need".
      - barrell 5y ago
        This comment seems uncalled for. it’s a different sort of experience and different people like different things. I don’t like it when I download an app, only to find that it opens in a weird size because it hasn’t been updated in years. I’d rather not have that as an option to download ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
        withinboredom 5y ago
        This is starting to turn into tabs vs. spaces kind of argument.
        Fargoan 5y ago
        Yes, Apple should control all of our choices. I'm not sure why there even is an app store. They could just add and remove apps from our devices as they deem fit. Less hassle and we would have all the hot new apps.
        _aavaa_ 5y ago
        I get the feeling, but at the same time I personally disagree with it as well as disagree that the store should be run that way. Aside from the fact that it further restricts what it means to “buy” and app (it’s not just a license to use it for as long as apple deems it good looking enough) there’s the bigger issue of purpose. I don’t download an app so that I have a nice looking UI. I download an app to DO something, to solve a problem. If the app does it in style (or in line with the newest ui fads) that’s nice. But it’s not why I’m looking for an app. If my options are between a bad looking app and no app, then I’ll take the bad looking one 100% of the time.
      - basisword 5y ago
        >> Remember that people like basisword believe they know better than normal people what is good for them, and so in their mindset they seriously believe that it is somehow doing right by users to protect them from their beliefs about what they "need". The sheer arrogance of thinking you know what a person believes based on one comment. A store owner has every right to not sell broken products. It’s as simple as that.
faeriechangling 5y ago
Because some of these apps are artistic works, and making artistic works effectively unusable arbitrarily is unconscionable. Because there are many niche audiences which can't afford constant software updates and having an application that doesn't perfectly support a new device is better for them than not having a application at all. I would not have a single solitary problem with what they're doing if they allowed side loading, but if they don't allow side loading, this shit isn't okay. I know there's a whack of unmaintained apps out there which are meant to help people with a disability, if somebody relies on such an app, fuck them I guess, they should use a new app that supports the newest screen sizes regardless of if that app exists or not.
- 0x20cowboy 5y ago
  > Because some of these apps are artistic works, and making artistic works effectively unusable arbitrarily is unconscionable. I have an apps on there in the art context. I think with software as your medium, if you want your art to live on, you need to keep it updated. Doom is constantly being updated to run on new systems, and valve still updates old games (for example). Bit rot is something you need to battle with in work production systems too. Even if you wrote something in assembly, you’d eventually have to update it. It’s the nature of software. Am I misunderstanding what you think should be happening?
  - bcrl 5y ago
    It's the nature of developers that don't value other developers' time and effort. Somehow the Linux kernel manages not to break userspace every release.
  - leereeves 5y ago
    I recently downloaded the old Gold Box games on Steam. They're about 30 years old and still work fine, thanks to a bit of effort from the DOSbox developers. Apple could also make their platform backwards compatible.
  - ryandrake 5y ago
    Bits don't rot. If a software that worked fine when it was released no longer works on the latest version of the platform, it is entirely the fault of the platform developer who failed to maintain backward compatibility. It is the consequence of deliberate platform choices and we should not try to shift the blame onto individual 3rd party developers or conjure up mystical forces like "bit rot".
Rebelgecko 5y ago
How many of these apps were actually broken? I haven't use iOS in a long time, but on Android I use plenty of apps that haven't been updated in 3+ years. They all work fine.
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jeffybefffy519 5y ago
If it doesn’t work on a certain phone then dont show it as available for that phone. Simples….
- coffeekitkat 5y ago
  Or tell whether the app you are viewing / downloading is "compatible" with your devices like Google Play Store, right. Also for instance, when I try to install certain apps on the Early 2011 MacBook Pro that I use, there are some apps that have a block/stop icon on the bottom-right of the app icon itself that indicates that it is either not compatible or would not run the the device (It's good start). But IMO, What Apple is doing is great and it has something to do with Security and Privacy to some extent. Imagine, there is one app has not been downloaded at all or have few downloads for the course of 12 Months for the past 3 years feels like it's a shady app waiting for a victim.

goosedragons 5y ago

Yet they keep apps that haven't been updated for even longer periods of time that just get more downloads. Why do they keep letting people download apps that work poorly on a customers phone?

basisword 5y ago
Start with the low download apps so that the more “important” apps get the message and update. If an app is downloaded lots it’s a toss up between giving customers the best experience and keeping an app they need available.
- _aavaa_ 5y ago
  > it’s a toss up between giving customers the best experience and keeping an app they need available. There is no toss up. Any move that removed “an app [people] need” is completely opposed “to giving customers the best experience”.
  - saurik 5y ago
    Remember that people like basisword believe they know better than normal people what is good for them, and so in their mindset they seriously believe that it is somehow doing right by users to protect them from their beliefs about what they "need".
    - barrell 5y ago
      This comment seems uncalled for. it’s a different sort of experience and different people like different things. I don’t like it when I download an app, only to find that it opens in a weird size because it hasn’t been updated in years. I’d rather not have that as an option to download ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
      - withinboredom 5y ago
        This is starting to turn into tabs vs. spaces kind of argument.
      - Fargoan 5y ago
        Yes, Apple should control all of our choices. I'm not sure why there even is an app store. They could just add and remove apps from our devices as they deem fit. Less hassle and we would have all the hot new apps.
      - _aavaa_ 5y ago
        I get the feeling, but at the same time I personally disagree with it as well as disagree that the store should be run that way. Aside from the fact that it further restricts what it means to “buy” and app (it’s not just a license to use it for as long as apple deems it good looking enough) there’s the bigger issue of purpose. I don’t download an app so that I have a nice looking UI. I download an app to DO something, to solve a problem. If the app does it in style (or in line with the newest ui fads) that’s nice. But it’s not why I’m looking for an app. If my options are between a bad looking app and no app, then I’ll take the bad looking one 100% of the time.
    - basisword 5y ago
      >> Remember that people like basisword believe they know better than normal people what is good for them, and so in their mindset they seriously believe that it is somehow doing right by users to protect them from their beliefs about what they "need". The sheer arrogance of thinking you know what a person believes based on one comment. A store owner has every right to not sell broken products. It’s as simple as that.

faeriechangling 5y ago

Because some of these apps are artistic works, and making artistic works effectively unusable arbitrarily is unconscionable. Because there are many niche audiences which can't afford constant software updates and having an application that doesn't perfectly support a new device is better for them than not having a application at all. I would not have a single solitary problem with what they're doing if they allowed side loading, but if they don't allow side loading, this shit isn't okay. I know there's a whack of unmaintained apps out there which are meant to help people with a disability, if somebody relies on such an app, fuck them I guess, they should use a new app that supports the newest screen sizes regardless of if that app exists or not.

0x20cowboy 5y ago
> Because some of these apps are artistic works, and making artistic works effectively unusable arbitrarily is unconscionable. I have an apps on there in the art context. I think with software as your medium, if you want your art to live on, you need to keep it updated. Doom is constantly being updated to run on new systems, and valve still updates old games (for example). Bit rot is something you need to battle with in work production systems too. Even if you wrote something in assembly, you’d eventually have to update it. It’s the nature of software. Am I misunderstanding what you think should be happening?
- bcrl 5y ago
  It's the nature of developers that don't value other developers' time and effort. Somehow the Linux kernel manages not to break userspace every release.
- leereeves 5y ago
  I recently downloaded the old Gold Box games on Steam. They're about 30 years old and still work fine, thanks to a bit of effort from the DOSbox developers. Apple could also make their platform backwards compatible.
- ryandrake 5y ago
  Bits don't rot. If a software that worked fine when it was released no longer works on the latest version of the platform, it is entirely the fault of the platform developer who failed to maintain backward compatibility. It is the consequence of deliberate platform choices and we should not try to shift the blame onto individual 3rd party developers or conjure up mystical forces like "bit rot".

Rebelgecko 5y ago

How many of these apps were actually broken? I haven't use iOS in a long time, but on Android I use plenty of apps that haven't been updated in 3+ years. They all work fine.

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jeffybefffy519 5y ago

If it doesn’t work on a certain phone then dont show it as available for that phone. Simples….

coffeekitkat 5y ago
Or tell whether the app you are viewing / downloading is "compatible" with your devices like Google Play Store, right. Also for instance, when I try to install certain apps on the Early 2011 MacBook Pro that I use, there are some apps that have a block/stop icon on the bottom-right of the app icon itself that indicates that it is either not compatible or would not run the the device (It's good start). But IMO, What Apple is doing is great and it has something to do with Security and Privacy to some extent. Imagine, there is one app has not been downloaded at all or have few downloads for the course of 12 Months for the past 3 years feels like it's a shady app waiting for a victim.