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It seems like a "victimless crime" in the same way that a hit and run is a victimless crime, as long as you get away with it. Someone has willfully chosen to m

by ipsin 4y ago

It seems like a "victimless crime" in the same way that a hit and run is a victimless crime, as long as you get away with it. Someone has willfully chosen to make life more dangerous for everyone else. It's possible they won't be caught, but ignoring the act carries a real possibility of harm. There are people who would drive drunk every single day, if they could get away with it.

hammock 4y ago
> hit and run is a victimless crime Not clear on your logic. A hit and run has a victim: whoever is the owner of the person or property you damaged. In contrast, a drunk driver who is not under excess influence of the alcohol in his system and who gets from point A to point B safely, has victimized no one.
- jjulius 4y ago
  >In contrast, drunk driver who is not under excess influence of the alcohol in his system and who gets from point A to point B safely, has created no victims. And what of the drunk driver under excess influence who creates a victim?
  - nyolfen 4y ago
    presumably he is still subject to the laws that relate to creating a victim
    - tom_ 4y ago
      I am sure the victim will feel very happy to have played their important part in finally bringing this scofflaw to justice.
weaksauce 4y ago
The founder of madd in america thinks they went too far though. https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2002/aug/6/20020806-035702-2222r/ https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2002/aug/6/20020806-035... > Candy Lightner, MADD’s founder, says she disassociated herself from the movement in 1985 because she believed the organization was headed in the wrong direction. > “It has become far more neo-prohibitionist than I had ever wanted or envisioned,” said Mrs. Lightner, who founded MADD after her daughter was killed by a drunk driver. “I didn’t start MADD to deal with alcohol. I started MADD to deal with the issue of drunk driving.” > Several years after she left MADD, Mrs. Lightner briefly represented the American Beverage Institute in its fight against the 0.08 percent BAC law. She also lobbied Congress to enforce tougher penalties for drunk drivers. Maybe she took up that position after getting hired by the beverage industry or not I don't know but she did lose a child to a drunk driver. 0.08 is probably too strict as the consequences of that are really severe and as evidenced basically no more impairing than widely used daily antihistamines.
- sokoloff 4y ago
  I would sooner drive after a couple beers with dinner than after taking Benadryl (diphenhydramine). That’s not because I think alcohol is safe to drive on.
  - the_only_law 4y ago
    I’ve used doxylamine (similar antihistamine) as a sleep aid and I wouldn’t trust myself to do much. It was hard just getting ready for work because of the brain fog the next morning.

by ipsin 4y ago

hammock 4y ago

> hit and run is a victimless crime Not clear on your logic. A hit and run has a victim: whoever is the owner of the person or property you damaged. In contrast, a drunk driver who is not under excess influence of the alcohol in his system and who gets from point A to point B safely, has victimized no one.

jjulius 4y ago
>In contrast, drunk driver who is not under excess influence of the alcohol in his system and who gets from point A to point B safely, has created no victims. And what of the drunk driver under excess influence who creates a victim?
- nyolfen 4y ago
  presumably he is still subject to the laws that relate to creating a victim
  - tom_ 4y ago
    I am sure the victim will feel very happy to have played their important part in finally bringing this scofflaw to justice.

weaksauce 4y ago

The founder of madd in america thinks they went too far though. https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2002/aug/6/20020806-035702-2222r/ https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2002/aug/6/20020806-035... > Candy Lightner, MADD’s founder, says she disassociated herself from the movement in 1985 because she believed the organization was headed in the wrong direction. > “It has become far more neo-prohibitionist than I had ever wanted or envisioned,” said Mrs. Lightner, who founded MADD after her daughter was killed by a drunk driver. “I didn’t start MADD to deal with alcohol. I started MADD to deal with the issue of drunk driving.” > Several years after she left MADD, Mrs. Lightner briefly represented the American Beverage Institute in its fight against the 0.08 percent BAC law. She also lobbied Congress to enforce tougher penalties for drunk drivers. Maybe she took up that position after getting hired by the beverage industry or not I don't know but she did lose a child to a drunk driver. 0.08 is probably too strict as the consequences of that are really severe and as evidenced basically no more impairing than widely used daily antihistamines.

sokoloff 4y ago
I would sooner drive after a couple beers with dinner than after taking Benadryl (diphenhydramine). That’s not because I think alcohol is safe to drive on.
- the_only_law 4y ago
  I’ve used doxylamine (similar antihistamine) as a sleep aid and I wouldn’t trust myself to do much. It was hard just getting ready for work because of the brain fog the next morning.