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We had a lot of noisy neighbour issues on Hetzner's VPSes, to the point that we stopped using them entirely. Their bare metal is a great offer though. And fully

by jhugo 5y ago

We had a lot of noisy neighbour issues on Hetzner's VPSes, to the point that we stopped using them entirely. Their bare metal is a great offer though. And fully agreed about lock-in. If you can, design cloud-agnostic from the start. You get a lot more flexibility and you're in a much better negotiating position as you grow. Not realistic or necessarily sensible for every company/team though.

mgbmtl 5y ago
I'm a happy Hetzner baremetal (and OVH) user, just don't use Hetzner's Finland DC, the network is very unpredictable (a lot of random packet loss).
- usr1106 5y ago
  You don't say where you notice that packet loss from, so I guess you are talking about the US? The by far biggest cable goes from Finland to Germany. No idea what happens after that. I believe Hetzner uses it and I have never heard that they wouldn't have enough bandwidth. But I have neither inside knowledge nor do I use them. Being in Finland myself I have better latencies from real cheap Scaleway in Paris than from far more expensive AWS in Frankfurt. So it's not always you get what you pay for. Still no drops from either. Maybe Hetzner has more noisy neighbor issues because they are cheaper? The same could hold for Scaleway, but I have never noticed anything.
  - mgbmtl 4y ago
    I'm from Canada. The packet loss can be really random. Despite having various checks between our servers at various providers, and being fairly sure the problem is Hetzner, they always blame the other network.
  - jhugo 5y ago
    > The by far biggest cable goes from Finland to Germany. No idea what happens after that. I believe Hetzner uses it and I have never heard that they wouldn't have enough bandwidth. But I have neither inside knowledge nor do I use them. Packet loss can have numerous causes, not having enough bandwidth is one but faulty or misconfigured gear or misconfigured routing can also cause issues. > Maybe Hetzner has more noisy neighbor issues because they are cheaper? The same could hold for Scaleway, but I have never noticed anything. Yeah, in general, cheaper virtual servers are more likely to have these problems, just like cheaper bandwidth is more likely to be oversold. Low-cost providers can push it pretty far if most of their customers are hosting low-to-moderate-traffic websites or other HTTP services, which are pretty forgiving of steal time, low-level packet loss & latency.

by jhugo 5y ago

mgbmtl 5y ago

I'm a happy Hetzner baremetal (and OVH) user, just don't use Hetzner's Finland DC, the network is very unpredictable (a lot of random packet loss).

usr1106 5y ago
You don't say where you notice that packet loss from, so I guess you are talking about the US? The by far biggest cable goes from Finland to Germany. No idea what happens after that. I believe Hetzner uses it and I have never heard that they wouldn't have enough bandwidth. But I have neither inside knowledge nor do I use them. Being in Finland myself I have better latencies from real cheap Scaleway in Paris than from far more expensive AWS in Frankfurt. So it's not always you get what you pay for. Still no drops from either. Maybe Hetzner has more noisy neighbor issues because they are cheaper? The same could hold for Scaleway, but I have never noticed anything.
- mgbmtl 4y ago
  I'm from Canada. The packet loss can be really random. Despite having various checks between our servers at various providers, and being fairly sure the problem is Hetzner, they always blame the other network.
- jhugo 5y ago
  > The by far biggest cable goes from Finland to Germany. No idea what happens after that. I believe Hetzner uses it and I have never heard that they wouldn't have enough bandwidth. But I have neither inside knowledge nor do I use them. Packet loss can have numerous causes, not having enough bandwidth is one but faulty or misconfigured gear or misconfigured routing can also cause issues. > Maybe Hetzner has more noisy neighbor issues because they are cheaper? The same could hold for Scaleway, but I have never noticed anything. Yeah, in general, cheaper virtual servers are more likely to have these problems, just like cheaper bandwidth is more likely to be oversold. Low-cost providers can push it pretty far if most of their customers are hosting low-to-moderate-traffic websites or other HTTP services, which are pretty forgiving of steal time, low-level packet loss & latency.