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Oracle Cloud - good alternative for bandwidth heavy products (used by Zoom) Heroku - For a more "abstracted" cloud that just works Vultr/DigitalOcean - Cheap

Oracle Cloud - good alternative for bandwidth heavy products (used by Zoom) Heroku - For a more "abstracted" cloud that just works Vultr/DigitalOcean - Cheap VMs, additionaly some services like managed DB and K8s Hetzner/OVH - Cheap dedicated hosts Netlify/Cloudflare Pages/etc - for static websites + functions/3rd party services for dynamic stuff

dijit 4y ago
> Oracle Cloud - good alternative for bandwidth heavy products (used by Zoom) please don't. I have nothing but the worst experiences with Oracle Cloud. Granted, I was always a little biased against Oracle as a company; but I have a friend working on OCI and assumed that since what I needed was really basic it would be fine. It really wasn't, it was awful, confusing and opaquely and egregiously expensive.
- deepspace 4y ago
  > It really wasn't, it was awful, confusing and opaquely and egregiously expensive. That is true, but it is also very much an understatement of just how miserable every step of the OC experience is. I was once forced by a customer to endure the torture that is OC, and the only thing that saved me was when Oracle's terrible management software just deleted our entire account and deployment one weekend. Gone without a trace, could not even log in anymore. Luckily, that was enough to persuade the client to move to Azure.
  - Spunkie 4y ago
    I won't even take on clients if they are using OCI now. I've had previous clients whos entire account with production servers just get nuked without even so much as a curtsey email and OCI support WILL NOT HELP.
    - highclass 4y ago
      Do you know if this occurred to a free or paid account? To be fair, I have been testing Oracle Cloud Infrastructure(OCI) on a paid account for about 2 years now and actively monitor server hosting forums. During that time I have had no "abnormal" problems with paid production account. However, it is well known that Oracle accidentally nuked free/trial accounts early on, and again recently accidental nuked free/trial accounts reserved public IPs. However, I know of no such events for paid accounts, and paid accounts on OCI should be production ready quality in my experience. On the other hand support really is somewhat bad, but support is free and the cloud costs are much less than AWS, while having better products than similar priced cloud products such as Lnode, Vultr, Digital ocean.
      - anakaine 4y ago
        Whilst I appreciate the comparison, it makes no sense for there to be a difference in the level of alerting, stability, security, safety, etc of a free/paid tier and a full production tier. You can bet your bottom dollar I trial things on lower tiers, and much later on I may very well take the things I learned into production. My production budget isn't as big as some, but its still a tidy 6 figure sum each year just for cloud hosted services, with no licences or wages in that figure. If my trial on your platform goes tips up without notice, I'm going to likely conclude you're not a particularly safe place for my production stack for whatever it is I'm working on. You should also count on me telling my contemporaries about my experience too.
        Spunkie 4y ago
        On the topic of their "free accounts", I did personally attempt to go through that process last month and I really don't understand how they have managed to fuck it up so bad. The basic idea is simple, "give developers free personal resources so they might be inclined to start using your cloud for work related thing". Instead, the "free account" is basically just a guided tour on OCI incompetence before it boots you out onto the street. On the surface they have given it some thought with setting up the system perfectly with the whole, "if your account is free you can never be charged thing" but they can't seem to stomach people actually using their "free account".
  - jen20 4y ago
    > Luckily, that was enough to persuade the client to move to Azure. Out of the frying pan into the fire, eh?
eigenvalue 4y ago
Hetzner is shockingly cheaper than vultr now. Also Contabo is very cheap.
- philliphaydon 4y ago
  I was trying to price up something between hetzner and AWS and as a starting place AWS ends up cheaper until you get to a certain point then hetzner ends up cheaper. Basically wanted 3 servers. One for load balancer and then 2 web servers so I can pop them in and out. But with hetzner it’s minimum like $30/m per server when I only need 2c/2g I get 3 servers at AWS for $32.
  - magicCat 4y ago
    not working for them, but a user/fan. Did you check out hetzner "cloud"? 2c/2g seems to be roughly 5$/Month, x3 would be 15$
    - philliphaydon 4y ago
      Damn I’m dumb. I wasn’t looking at the cloud section. Your right. Thank you!
    - daemoens 4y ago
      It's actually 3.99 euros, which is about $4.21 in USD. It makes a pretty good difference if you need a lot of them.
- usr1106 4y ago
  At least some Hetzner offers used to be used servers and they can suddenly fail. I haven't followed them. But I guess you need to think about your backup plans anyway (depending on what service you run). So using a less reliable provider might just mean that you practice your backup plan slightly more frequently. Some OVH customers can tell you the story when one of their data centers burned down.

dijit 4y ago

> Oracle Cloud - good alternative for bandwidth heavy products (used by Zoom) please don't. I have nothing but the worst experiences with Oracle Cloud. Granted, I was always a little biased against Oracle as a company; but I have a friend working on OCI and assumed that since what I needed was really basic it would be fine. It really wasn't, it was awful, confusing and opaquely and egregiously expensive.

deepspace 4y ago
> It really wasn't, it was awful, confusing and opaquely and egregiously expensive. That is true, but it is also very much an understatement of just how miserable every step of the OC experience is. I was once forced by a customer to endure the torture that is OC, and the only thing that saved me was when Oracle's terrible management software just deleted our entire account and deployment one weekend. Gone without a trace, could not even log in anymore. Luckily, that was enough to persuade the client to move to Azure.
- Spunkie 4y ago
  I won't even take on clients if they are using OCI now. I've had previous clients whos entire account with production servers just get nuked without even so much as a curtsey email and OCI support WILL NOT HELP.
  - highclass 4y ago
    Do you know if this occurred to a free or paid account? To be fair, I have been testing Oracle Cloud Infrastructure(OCI) on a paid account for about 2 years now and actively monitor server hosting forums. During that time I have had no "abnormal" problems with paid production account. However, it is well known that Oracle accidentally nuked free/trial accounts early on, and again recently accidental nuked free/trial accounts reserved public IPs. However, I know of no such events for paid accounts, and paid accounts on OCI should be production ready quality in my experience. On the other hand support really is somewhat bad, but support is free and the cloud costs are much less than AWS, while having better products than similar priced cloud products such as Lnode, Vultr, Digital ocean.
    - anakaine 4y ago
      Whilst I appreciate the comparison, it makes no sense for there to be a difference in the level of alerting, stability, security, safety, etc of a free/paid tier and a full production tier. You can bet your bottom dollar I trial things on lower tiers, and much later on I may very well take the things I learned into production. My production budget isn't as big as some, but its still a tidy 6 figure sum each year just for cloud hosted services, with no licences or wages in that figure. If my trial on your platform goes tips up without notice, I'm going to likely conclude you're not a particularly safe place for my production stack for whatever it is I'm working on. You should also count on me telling my contemporaries about my experience too.
      - Spunkie 4y ago
        On the topic of their "free accounts", I did personally attempt to go through that process last month and I really don't understand how they have managed to fuck it up so bad. The basic idea is simple, "give developers free personal resources so they might be inclined to start using your cloud for work related thing". Instead, the "free account" is basically just a guided tour on OCI incompetence before it boots you out onto the street. On the surface they have given it some thought with setting up the system perfectly with the whole, "if your account is free you can never be charged thing" but they can't seem to stomach people actually using their "free account".
- jen20 4y ago
  > Luckily, that was enough to persuade the client to move to Azure. Out of the frying pan into the fire, eh?

eigenvalue 4y ago

Hetzner is shockingly cheaper than vultr now. Also Contabo is very cheap.

philliphaydon 4y ago
I was trying to price up something between hetzner and AWS and as a starting place AWS ends up cheaper until you get to a certain point then hetzner ends up cheaper. Basically wanted 3 servers. One for load balancer and then 2 web servers so I can pop them in and out. But with hetzner it’s minimum like $30/m per server when I only need 2c/2g I get 3 servers at AWS for $32.
- magicCat 4y ago
  not working for them, but a user/fan. Did you check out hetzner "cloud"? 2c/2g seems to be roughly 5$/Month, x3 would be 15$
  - philliphaydon 4y ago
    Damn I’m dumb. I wasn’t looking at the cloud section. Your right. Thank you!
  - daemoens 4y ago
    It's actually 3.99 euros, which is about $4.21 in USD. It makes a pretty good difference if you need a lot of them.
usr1106 4y ago
At least some Hetzner offers used to be used servers and they can suddenly fail. I haven't followed them. But I guess you need to think about your backup plans anyway (depending on what service you run). So using a less reliable provider might just mean that you practice your backup plan slightly more frequently. Some OVH customers can tell you the story when one of their data centers burned down.