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I've openly heard managers talk about "experience" in sub for age, eg: "I think this person has too much experience for this role" (when talking about a very se
by kodah 5y ago
I've openly heard managers talk about "experience" in sub for age, eg: "I think this person has too much experience for this role" (when talking about a very senior role).
My best advice is to engage HR right away if you hear this kind of stuff. A fair amount of HR folks are older and will jump right on this kind of behavior.
- georgia_peach 5y agoWhy work for/under people who would do you that way? There's plenty of money to be made out there. If I have too much "experience," they'll just have to miss out on it.
- kodah 5y agoI'm a lead. Getting another lead role would be difficult. Managers in tech are uniformly bad in my experience. If I don't tolerate this then I'll have to tolerate some other form of ridiculousness, but while I'm young I can listen for the dog whistles and report them. Edit: these kinds of managers will always screw you one day; usually that day is a day when your interests aren't as useful to them. It's a mentality (and behavior pattern) that Succession does a fantastic job of roasting. The trick is to read the writing on the wall and the room, find a new job, and bring all the homies. This is why I refer to software as a team sport.
- DoingIsLearning 5y agoIt's funny because I would interpret those exact words "I think this person has too much experience for this role", as "The budget I have for the position is not enough to afford this person". But maybe you're right that it's ageism and I just assume the best in people.
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- AnimalMuppet 5y agoI second your take. I have a lot of experience. I want to get paid for it. If you don't need that much experience, you probably don't want to pay my price.
- mikro2nd 5y agoI don't think those hiring should make any such assumptions. I have lots of experience. I'd like to get paid accordingly, but * my mortgage is long-since paid off * my kids are grown and independant (no more school fees, university costs) * my car is paid for With lower expenses I can afford to accept less money, provided it means an interesting work opportunity. So don't just assume that I'd demand more money. Ask. Maybe there's some middle ground where we can meet. Are you flexible enough?
- albert_e 5y agoI have a lot of experience but didn't hob hop along with my peers so my current pay is well below market levels. I would happily consider an offer that matches my experience and aspirations from a job role perspective even if the pay doesn't match the currently overheated market.
- solumos 5y agoSimilarly, I've seen candidates ruled out because they have a lot of experience without career progression after a certain point - "ah, he's been in the same senior role for 8 years? Must be something wrong with him"
- saagarjha 5y agoThis is odd considering that "senior" is a terminal role in a lot of places.