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> "There has to be some form of punishment [for women having an abortion]". trump immediately backed down from this 'intonation', and i would be very surprised

> "There has to be some form of punishment [for women having an abortion]". trump immediately backed down from this 'intonation', and i would be very surprised to hear about any serious legislation meant to punish women, rather than doctors, for abortion. if women are "being told they should face criminal penalties" then that is coming from fearmongering liberals and extremist protestors, not any cohesive western conservative platform.

ModernMech 5y ago
> trump immediately backed down from this 'intonation' When someone tells you two contradictory things, it's best to look at their deeds rather than their words for their true intentions. > i would be very surprised to hear about any serious legislation meant to punish women, rather than doctors, for abortion. Punishing doctors is punishing women. Again, abortion is necessary healthcare for women, and when you punish doctors for providing constitutionally protected and lifesaving healthcare to women, you create a situation where women must either forego care (because there are no local doctors who can provide them that care) or must incur great expense to get care (I will reiterate, driving >600 miles to do what you should be able to do lawfully in your own city is a very extreme punishment for women). > not any cohesive western conservative platform It's very clear that the GOP believes that women should face criminal penalties for having an abortion, as their vast and persistent legislative efforts are clearly trending that way. Month after month they get more extreme with the kinds of bills they are introducing. The message is in the actions not the words. The actions (the kinds of laws they're passing and the putative effects they're having on their intended targets) belie the "backtracks" and give truth to the original intonation that "there has to be some form of punishment".

ModernMech 5y ago

> trump immediately backed down from this 'intonation' When someone tells you two contradictory things, it's best to look at their deeds rather than their words for their true intentions. > i would be very surprised to hear about any serious legislation meant to punish women, rather than doctors, for abortion. Punishing doctors is punishing women. Again, abortion is necessary healthcare for women, and when you punish doctors for providing constitutionally protected and lifesaving healthcare to women, you create a situation where women must either forego care (because there are no local doctors who can provide them that care) or must incur great expense to get care (I will reiterate, driving >600 miles to do what you should be able to do lawfully in your own city is a very extreme punishment for women). > not any cohesive western conservative platform It's very clear that the GOP believes that women should face criminal penalties for having an abortion, as their vast and persistent legislative efforts are clearly trending that way. Month after month they get more extreme with the kinds of bills they are introducing. The message is in the actions not the words. The actions (the kinds of laws they're passing and the putative effects they're having on their intended targets) belie the "backtracks" and give truth to the original intonation that "there has to be some form of punishment".