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Agreed. Musk's stated goal is to enable free speech. The less censorship the better. The truth always (eventually) rises to the top.

themanmaran 4y ago
> The truth always (eventually) rises to the top Note the "eventually" here can be 10-50 years. Which leaves a lot of room for short term damage. Reminds me a bit of Keynes's "In the long run we are all dead".
- Mikeb85 4y ago
  > Note the "eventually" here can be 10-50 years. Which leaves a lot of room for short term damage. Lol eventually in today's world is like a week... 50 years ago there was no internet at all.
s5300 4y ago
> The truth always (eventually) rises to the top. Yes but sometimes things like the holocaust (Hitlers big lie) & the Khmer Rouge (kill all smart people & literally anybody who might even look “smart”) happen before that. Do we want such things happening again? There’s currently a large amount of a political party that wants to straight up murder the other in open season. The other wants like… healthcare, & equal rights (in actual practice, not just written) for minorities.
- zozbot234 4y ago
  Okay, we'll censor the #KillAllMen hashtag and the like since imminent threats are not covered under "free speech".
  - s5300 4y ago
    Not sure what this has to do with anything being discussed but it definitely lets me infer the butthurt type of person you must be.
  - jcranmer 4y ago
    > Okay, we'll censor the #KillAllMen hashtag and the like since imminent threats are not covered under "free speech". Actually, under the Brandenburg v Ohio standard... they're constitutionally-protected free speech. To be illegal, you have to pretty much be speaking to a mob, pointing to someone, and saying "kill that person."
    - xigoi 4y ago
      So, by this logic #KillAllJews is alright?
      - jcranmer 4y ago
        If by 'alright' you mean 'legal in the US', yes.
        xigoi 4y ago
        I don't really care about what's legal in the US; I don't live there. This is a question of morality.
        tptacek 4y ago
        That's pretty clearly not what you meant above.
- Mikeb85 4y ago
  Pretty sure those atrocities happened because of regimes that CENSORED the truth... Not because the Nazis and Khmer Rouge were free-speech advocates SMH. Edit - also the Khmer Rouge started off as guerilla fighters supported by foreign powers (China, Vietnam) who won a civil war then purged their enemies/smart people. They didn't come to power because of 'free speech' or whatever point you think you're making. As for the Nazis, they literally outlawed free speech after consolidating their power SMH.
rahidz 4y ago
>The truth always (eventually) rises to the top. Do you believe that websites with no moderation tend to have the best truth/lie ratio?
- Mikeb85 4y ago
  Better than those that are highly moderated. HN has very light moderation versus Reddit which has pretty heavy-handed moderation and Subreddits quickly turn into echo chambers. And even there the best Subreddits are those that are least-moderated. Edit - Twitter is also currently a cesspool of fake outrage and Islamic extremism somehow. Myself and almost everyone I know doesn't use it for that reason. Instagram and even TikTok are better platforms because of the lack of political censorship.
rchaud 4y ago
This sounds like a "I didn't say it, I declared it" situation. It means absolutely nothing without specifics, of which few have been offered. What exactly is "enabling free speech" on a globally used platform? Is Musk going to disable Twitter in countries that criminalize Holocaust denial? It's not illegal in the US after all. How about criticism of China's treatment of Uighurs? Will that left untouched considering Musk's numerous business interests that require bending the knee to the CCP? Is Musk going to relocate the company to Mars so they can allow white nationalist groups and ISIS offshoots

themanmaran 4y ago

> The truth always (eventually) rises to the top Note the "eventually" here can be 10-50 years. Which leaves a lot of room for short term damage. Reminds me a bit of Keynes's "In the long run we are all dead".

Mikeb85 4y ago
> Note the "eventually" here can be 10-50 years. Which leaves a lot of room for short term damage. Lol eventually in today's world is like a week... 50 years ago there was no internet at all.

s5300 4y ago

> The truth always (eventually) rises to the top. Yes but sometimes things like the holocaust (Hitlers big lie) & the Khmer Rouge (kill all smart people & literally anybody who might even look “smart”) happen before that. Do we want such things happening again? There’s currently a large amount of a political party that wants to straight up murder the other in open season. The other wants like… healthcare, & equal rights (in actual practice, not just written) for minorities.

zozbot234 4y ago
Okay, we'll censor the #KillAllMen hashtag and the like since imminent threats are not covered under "free speech".
- s5300 4y ago
  Not sure what this has to do with anything being discussed but it definitely lets me infer the butthurt type of person you must be.
- jcranmer 4y ago
  > Okay, we'll censor the #KillAllMen hashtag and the like since imminent threats are not covered under "free speech". Actually, under the Brandenburg v Ohio standard... they're constitutionally-protected free speech. To be illegal, you have to pretty much be speaking to a mob, pointing to someone, and saying "kill that person."
  - xigoi 4y ago
    So, by this logic #KillAllJews is alright?
    - jcranmer 4y ago
      If by 'alright' you mean 'legal in the US', yes.
      - xigoi 4y ago
        I don't really care about what's legal in the US; I don't live there. This is a question of morality.
        tptacek 4y ago
        That's pretty clearly not what you meant above.
Mikeb85 4y ago
Pretty sure those atrocities happened because of regimes that CENSORED the truth... Not because the Nazis and Khmer Rouge were free-speech advocates SMH. Edit - also the Khmer Rouge started off as guerilla fighters supported by foreign powers (China, Vietnam) who won a civil war then purged their enemies/smart people. They didn't come to power because of 'free speech' or whatever point you think you're making. As for the Nazis, they literally outlawed free speech after consolidating their power SMH.

rahidz 4y ago

>The truth always (eventually) rises to the top. Do you believe that websites with no moderation tend to have the best truth/lie ratio?

Mikeb85 4y ago
Better than those that are highly moderated. HN has very light moderation versus Reddit which has pretty heavy-handed moderation and Subreddits quickly turn into echo chambers. And even there the best Subreddits are those that are least-moderated. Edit - Twitter is also currently a cesspool of fake outrage and Islamic extremism somehow. Myself and almost everyone I know doesn't use it for that reason. Instagram and even TikTok are better platforms because of the lack of political censorship.

rchaud 4y ago

This sounds like a "I didn't say it, I declared it" situation. It means absolutely nothing without specifics, of which few have been offered. What exactly is "enabling free speech" on a globally used platform? Is Musk going to disable Twitter in countries that criminalize Holocaust denial? It's not illegal in the US after all. How about criticism of China's treatment of Uighurs? Will that left untouched considering Musk's numerous business interests that require bending the knee to the CCP? Is Musk going to relocate the company to Mars so they can allow white nationalist groups and ISIS offshoots