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For terrorism to be morally justified, you have to be right that the alternative is millions of deaths. Have you considered the possibility that you are not ri
by radford-neal 4y ago
For terrorism to be morally justified, you have to be right that the alternative is millions of deaths. Have you considered the possibility that you are not right?
I mean, really considered? Not, my friends all think the same way, and so do the charismatic politicians I prefer, so it must be true?
You could start with your "tens or hundreds of thousands of deaths into the climate crisis" claim, which is highly dubious. Have you swallowed the false claim that hurricanes and tornadoes are worse now than before? Are you looking at net deaths, for instance counting not just higher deaths in heat waves, but also fewer deaths in cold snaps? And are you accounting for the beneficial effect of higher food production due to CO2 fertilization?
- marssaxman 4y agoIt would be hard for anyone thinking carefully about climate change not to have considered the possibility that they are not right, given the decades of relentless, well-funded industry propaganda making such claims, to which you have apparently fallen victim.
- radford-neal 4y agoI think you've fallen victim to propaganda about how much propaganda each side has put out.
- marssaxman 4y agoYou're deep in it, aren't you? Oh well! The reality of the situation is already making itself obvious. Come out to the small coastal town I've spent the last few months in and try telling the people here that hurricanes aren't getting worse. Try to work out why everyone who can afford to do so has been getting their whole house lifted up off its foundation, onto stilts... But this place is not special, this kind of thing is happening everywhere. You can see it easily enough, if you let yourself look. Up to you. Can't blame you for wanting excuses to ignore it, though; the future we are barrelling along into is a scary place.
- Ntrails 4y agoYou know, people 200 years ago in coastal towns would have told you the same things. Flooding is worse, more bad weather etc. It's a terrible data point. There is plenty of data that supports climate change, on a Global scale. Whether it kills millions or billions or nobody at all is simply a question of attribution.
- marssaxman 4y agoWell, yes - you know that, and I know that; but I thought perhaps someone who can't accept the scientific consensus might find the personal choices made by residents of a conservative small town to be more relatable. Of course everywhere you go there are stories like this; whether people openly accept the reality of climate change or not, they are adapting, and you can see it wherever you look.
- LargoLasskhyfv 4y agoI've seen several publications in the last 5 to 7 years which suggest less nutrients in plants grown in higher CO2 containing atmosphere. For both outdoor and indoor. IIRC the useful nutrients are dispersed in more plant mass, which amounts to dilution. Why it is like that, I don't remember anymore.
- radford-neal 4y agoSuppose that one thing you like to do in your leisure time is swim in lakes, which can only be done in summer. Now suppose that your work schedule changes, so that you have additional vacation time in winter, in addition to the leisure time you had before. Do you say, "Great! Now I have more time for leisure activities!", or do you say, "That sucks! The proportion of my leisure time that I can spend swimming has gone down!".
- LargoLasskhyfv 4y agoThat's not how I remember it ;) What I meant to say was less nutrients in same amount of weight/volume eaten.