I am not sure what your point is. Is it, that a men should be able to decide, that a women shall carry a baby? Well, that used to be the idea, when women were

I am not sure what your point is. Is it, that a men should be able to decide, that a women shall carry a baby? Well, that used to be the idea, when women were considered objects owned by men. And yes, that idea is frowned upon in the west. Otherwise of course men today have a say in making babies. But since they cannot make a baby themself, they can only convince a female partner to make one. But no, they cannot and should not decide for the partner. Just like the female partner cannot decide to just make a baby. Unless she chooses sperm bank and artificial means.