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Can you name a few of these powerful women?

zmgsabst 4y ago
Kathleen Kennedy would be an example of an outspoken misandrist in media. But the existence of a few at the top is different than discussing the overall demographics of a field, and both of those fields are primarily female — from education onwards.
- resoluteteeth 4y ago
  Let me get this straight, you think that just because PR is around 60% of women, women working in PR are able to completely control public discourse for misandry, even if they aren't personally in positions of power, whereas the 95% of CEOs who are men and dictate what PR is actually being created aren't able to counteract that?
  - zmgsabst 4y ago
    Yes — a cursory review of corporate politics would indicate women in media/PR and HR dominate the discussion around sexism and keep men from being able to discuss their issues fairly. Example: How many businesses have an “affinity group” for women but not men? — why is it that only one sex has an organization representing their interests at the company?
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syshum 4y ago
Wasn't Elon just being called a misogynist for daring to disagree with a policy decision a women exec at twitter made to censor political topics? The other commenter post a different example, I feel like there are TONS of such examples.
- ModernMech 4y ago
  > daring to disagree with a policy decision That's not exactly what happened. It's one thing to "dare to disagree". It's another to do so in a public way that mocked and belittled her (a meme on Twitter) and that predictably lead to threats and copious and gratuitous misogyny directed at her. So what was Musk's intent here? Because he knew or should have known that would be the result of his actions. Isn't the directed use of mobs to harass and discredit people precisely the thing he bought Twitter to combat?
  - zmgsabst 4y ago
    Musk criticized her male colleagues such as the CEO in the same manner. Look at what you’re saying: That it’s “misogyny” to post a meme [1] critical of someone’s work when they’re in a powerful position paid millions of dollars a year! That’s absolutely ridiculous. The meme mocked her conversation on Joe Rogan, which was ridiculously partisan. She’s not exempt from having her poor performance as an executive criticized because she’s a woman. [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/JoeRogan/comments/ayiouz/it_do_be_like_that_though/ https://www.reddit.com/r/JoeRogan/comments/ayiouz/it_do_be_l...
    - ModernMech 4y ago
      I'm specifically objecting to the framing that musk "dared to disagree", as if anything he did took courage, or that Tweeting memes is how adult professionals handle workplace disagreements with subordinates. Probably this idea of misogyny is overselling it, but this seems to be an example of Musk attempting to engage in the very "cancel culture" he decries. There are a billion other ways to handle his disagreement that would lead to a better outcome than tweeting a meme. Again I have to ask: what did Musk expect would happen? If he didn't think the result of tweeting that meme would be harassment of the person he targeted, misogynistic or otherwise (although that is the brand of backlash he produced), what was his actual goal in tweeting the image? What was he trying to accomplish? edit: Again to reiterate, the basis of my objection to Musk's meme is not that it's misogynistic, its that the effect was a predictable (because it happens with great frequency so as to be expected) misogynistic backlash. So if Musk simply disagreed with this particular person, he could have handled that in a professional way. By tweeting a meme targeting someone in public, everyone knows that target is going to get a deluge of misogynistic hate if they are a woman. That is how Twitter, the company Musk just bought and of which he is a prolific user, operates. So he should know that fact. If Musk has a simple disagreement he should act as adult professionals do and talk about that disagreement with that specific individual, instead of targeting them publicly in a way he should have known would cause her harm.

Kathleen Kennedy would be an example of an outspoken misandrist in media. But the existence of a few at the top is different than discussing the overall demographics of a field, and both of those fields are primarily female — from education onwards.

resoluteteeth 4y ago
Let me get this straight, you think that just because PR is around 60% of women, women working in PR are able to completely control public discourse for misandry, even if they aren't personally in positions of power, whereas the 95% of CEOs who are men and dictate what PR is actually being created aren't able to counteract that?
- zmgsabst 4y ago
  Yes — a cursory review of corporate politics would indicate women in media/PR and HR dominate the discussion around sexism and keep men from being able to discuss their issues fairly. Example: How many businesses have an “affinity group” for women but not men? — why is it that only one sex has an organization representing their interests at the company?

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syshum 4y ago

Wasn't Elon just being called a misogynist for daring to disagree with a policy decision a women exec at twitter made to censor political topics? The other commenter post a different example, I feel like there are TONS of such examples.

ModernMech 4y ago
> daring to disagree with a policy decision That's not exactly what happened. It's one thing to "dare to disagree". It's another to do so in a public way that mocked and belittled her (a meme on Twitter) and that predictably lead to threats and copious and gratuitous misogyny directed at her. So what was Musk's intent here? Because he knew or should have known that would be the result of his actions. Isn't the directed use of mobs to harass and discredit people precisely the thing he bought Twitter to combat?
- zmgsabst 4y ago
  Musk criticized her male colleagues such as the CEO in the same manner. Look at what you’re saying: That it’s “misogyny” to post a meme [1] critical of someone’s work when they’re in a powerful position paid millions of dollars a year! That’s absolutely ridiculous. The meme mocked her conversation on Joe Rogan, which was ridiculously partisan. She’s not exempt from having her poor performance as an executive criticized because she’s a woman. [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/JoeRogan/comments/ayiouz/it_do_be_like_that_though/ https://www.reddit.com/r/JoeRogan/comments/ayiouz/it_do_be_l...
  - ModernMech 4y ago
    I'm specifically objecting to the framing that musk "dared to disagree", as if anything he did took courage, or that Tweeting memes is how adult professionals handle workplace disagreements with subordinates. Probably this idea of misogyny is overselling it, but this seems to be an example of Musk attempting to engage in the very "cancel culture" he decries. There are a billion other ways to handle his disagreement that would lead to a better outcome than tweeting a meme. Again I have to ask: what did Musk expect would happen? If he didn't think the result of tweeting that meme would be harassment of the person he targeted, misogynistic or otherwise (although that is the brand of backlash he produced), what was his actual goal in tweeting the image? What was he trying to accomplish? edit: Again to reiterate, the basis of my objection to Musk's meme is not that it's misogynistic, its that the effect was a predictable (because it happens with great frequency so as to be expected) misogynistic backlash. So if Musk simply disagreed with this particular person, he could have handled that in a professional way. By tweeting a meme targeting someone in public, everyone knows that target is going to get a deluge of misogynistic hate if they are a woman. That is how Twitter, the company Musk just bought and of which he is a prolific user, operates. So he should know that fact. If Musk has a simple disagreement he should act as adult professionals do and talk about that disagreement with that specific individual, instead of targeting them publicly in a way he should have known would cause her harm.