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There aren’t any. Discussing the problems of men, as a group, is intentionally suppressed by women in positions of power and influence — such as in media and P

There aren’t any. Discussing the problems of men, as a group, is intentionally suppressed by women in positions of power and influence — such as in media and PR. Organized misandry is real.

carschno 5y ago
Can you name a few of these powerful women?
- zmgsabst 5y ago
  Kathleen Kennedy would be an example of an outspoken misandrist in media. But the existence of a few at the top is different than discussing the overall demographics of a field, and both of those fields are primarily female — from education onwards.
  - resoluteteeth 5y ago
    Let me get this straight, you think that just because PR is around 60% of women, women working in PR are able to completely control public discourse for misandry, even if they aren't personally in positions of power, whereas the 95% of CEOs who are men and dictate what PR is actually being created aren't able to counteract that?
    - zmgsabst 5y ago
      Yes — a cursory review of corporate politics would indicate women in media/PR and HR dominate the discussion around sexism and keep men from being able to discuss their issues fairly. Example: How many businesses have an “affinity group” for women but not men? — why is it that only one sex has an organization representing their interests at the company?
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- syshum 5y ago
  Wasn't Elon just being called a misogynist for daring to disagree with a policy decision a women exec at twitter made to censor political topics? The other commenter post a different example, I feel like there are TONS of such examples.
  - ModernMech 5y ago
    > daring to disagree with a policy decision That's not exactly what happened. It's one thing to "dare to disagree". It's another to do so in a public way that mocked and belittled her (a meme on Twitter) and that predictably lead to threats and copious and gratuitous misogyny directed at her. So what was Musk's intent here? Because he knew or should have known that would be the result of his actions. Isn't the directed use of mobs to harass and discredit people precisely the thing he bought Twitter to combat?
    - zmgsabst 5y ago
      Musk criticized her male colleagues such as the CEO in the same manner. Look at what you’re saying: That it’s “misogyny” to post a meme [1] critical of someone’s work when they’re in a powerful position paid millions of dollars a year! That’s absolutely ridiculous. The meme mocked her conversation on Joe Rogan, which was ridiculously partisan. She’s not exempt from having her poor performance as an executive criticized because she’s a woman. [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/JoeRogan/comments/ayiouz/it_do_be_like_that_though/ https://www.reddit.com/r/JoeRogan/comments/ayiouz/it_do_be_l...
      - ModernMech 5y ago
        I'm specifically objecting to the framing that musk "dared to disagree", as if anything he did took courage, or that Tweeting memes is how adult professionals handle workplace disagreements with subordinates. Probably this idea of misogyny is overselling it, but this seems to be an example of Musk attempting to engage in the very "cancel culture" he decries. There are a billion other ways to handle his disagreement that would lead to a better outcome than tweeting a meme. Again I have to ask: what did Musk expect would happen? If he didn't think the result of tweeting that meme would be harassment of the person he targeted, misogynistic or otherwise (although that is the brand of backlash he produced), what was his actual goal in tweeting the image? What was he trying to accomplish? edit: Again to reiterate, the basis of my objection to Musk's meme is not that it's misogynistic, its that the effect was a predictable (because it happens with great frequency so as to be expected) misogynistic backlash. So if Musk simply disagreed with this particular person, he could have handled that in a professional way. By tweeting a meme targeting someone in public, everyone knows that target is going to get a deluge of misogynistic hate if they are a woman. That is how Twitter, the company Musk just bought and of which he is a prolific user, operates. So he should know that fact. If Musk has a simple disagreement he should act as adult professionals do and talk about that disagreement with that specific individual, instead of targeting them publicly in a way he should have known would cause her harm.
joshthecynic 5y ago
causality0 5y ago
intentionally suppressed by women Also by powerful men. Harmful gender roles are usually enforced by both genders.
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- bradlys 5y ago
  Harmful gender roles help suppress and atomize the people. It allows the owners of capital to further extract profit from them. Meanwhile - the upper class is mostly sheltered from these issues that they themselves reinforce in the media.
micromacrofoot 5y ago
doesn’t really track, if that were the case then why are women ceos still generally paid less than male counterparts? if women were suppressing men in an effective way wouldn’t it show up statistically somewhere? where’s the data? most evidence points to the contrary
- zmgsabst 5y ago
  There’s no evidence that points to the contrary and your comment about CEOs is the “summit fallacy”. It’s possible for men to both earn more at the extreme end and for them to face systemic sexism in other ways. Further, CEOs are a snapshot of the labor market 20-30 years ago and not as it exists for most people today. You’re also ignoring clear evidence of male floundering, such as the abysmal college graduation rates.
  - micromacrofoot 5y ago
    you don’t think there’s any evidence of sexism against women? for real? ceos didn’t stop existing 30 years ago? what a strange comment what is summit fallacy? do you think men graduate college less because of sexism?
heinrichhartman 5y ago
> Discussing the problems of men, as a group, is intentionally suppressed by women Don't make this into a "men" vs "women" problem. There are plenty of women who are on the right advocating for traditional family models, there are plenty of men on the front-lines of "woke" feminism. This is a clash of ideology, not between genders. #AssociationFallacy
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There aren’t any. Discussing the problems of men, as a group, is intentionally suppressed by women in positions of power and influence — such as in media and PR. Organized misandry is real.

carschno 5y ago

Can you name a few of these powerful women?

zmgsabst 5y ago
Kathleen Kennedy would be an example of an outspoken misandrist in media. But the existence of a few at the top is different than discussing the overall demographics of a field, and both of those fields are primarily female — from education onwards.
- resoluteteeth 5y ago
  Let me get this straight, you think that just because PR is around 60% of women, women working in PR are able to completely control public discourse for misandry, even if they aren't personally in positions of power, whereas the 95% of CEOs who are men and dictate what PR is actually being created aren't able to counteract that?
  - zmgsabst 5y ago
    Yes — a cursory review of corporate politics would indicate women in media/PR and HR dominate the discussion around sexism and keep men from being able to discuss their issues fairly. Example: How many businesses have an “affinity group” for women but not men? — why is it that only one sex has an organization representing their interests at the company?
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syshum 5y ago
Wasn't Elon just being called a misogynist for daring to disagree with a policy decision a women exec at twitter made to censor political topics? The other commenter post a different example, I feel like there are TONS of such examples.
- ModernMech 5y ago
  > daring to disagree with a policy decision That's not exactly what happened. It's one thing to "dare to disagree". It's another to do so in a public way that mocked and belittled her (a meme on Twitter) and that predictably lead to threats and copious and gratuitous misogyny directed at her. So what was Musk's intent here? Because he knew or should have known that would be the result of his actions. Isn't the directed use of mobs to harass and discredit people precisely the thing he bought Twitter to combat?
  - zmgsabst 5y ago
    Musk criticized her male colleagues such as the CEO in the same manner. Look at what you’re saying: That it’s “misogyny” to post a meme [1] critical of someone’s work when they’re in a powerful position paid millions of dollars a year! That’s absolutely ridiculous. The meme mocked her conversation on Joe Rogan, which was ridiculously partisan. She’s not exempt from having her poor performance as an executive criticized because she’s a woman. [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/JoeRogan/comments/ayiouz/it_do_be_like_that_though/ https://www.reddit.com/r/JoeRogan/comments/ayiouz/it_do_be_l...
    - ModernMech 5y ago
      I'm specifically objecting to the framing that musk "dared to disagree", as if anything he did took courage, or that Tweeting memes is how adult professionals handle workplace disagreements with subordinates. Probably this idea of misogyny is overselling it, but this seems to be an example of Musk attempting to engage in the very "cancel culture" he decries. There are a billion other ways to handle his disagreement that would lead to a better outcome than tweeting a meme. Again I have to ask: what did Musk expect would happen? If he didn't think the result of tweeting that meme would be harassment of the person he targeted, misogynistic or otherwise (although that is the brand of backlash he produced), what was his actual goal in tweeting the image? What was he trying to accomplish? edit: Again to reiterate, the basis of my objection to Musk's meme is not that it's misogynistic, its that the effect was a predictable (because it happens with great frequency so as to be expected) misogynistic backlash. So if Musk simply disagreed with this particular person, he could have handled that in a professional way. By tweeting a meme targeting someone in public, everyone knows that target is going to get a deluge of misogynistic hate if they are a woman. That is how Twitter, the company Musk just bought and of which he is a prolific user, operates. So he should know that fact. If Musk has a simple disagreement he should act as adult professionals do and talk about that disagreement with that specific individual, instead of targeting them publicly in a way he should have known would cause her harm.

joshthecynic 5y ago

causality0 5y ago

intentionally suppressed by women Also by powerful men. Harmful gender roles are usually enforced by both genders.

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bradlys 5y ago
Harmful gender roles help suppress and atomize the people. It allows the owners of capital to further extract profit from them. Meanwhile - the upper class is mostly sheltered from these issues that they themselves reinforce in the media.

micromacrofoot 5y ago

doesn’t really track, if that were the case then why are women ceos still generally paid less than male counterparts? if women were suppressing men in an effective way wouldn’t it show up statistically somewhere? where’s the data? most evidence points to the contrary

zmgsabst 5y ago
There’s no evidence that points to the contrary and your comment about CEOs is the “summit fallacy”. It’s possible for men to both earn more at the extreme end and for them to face systemic sexism in other ways. Further, CEOs are a snapshot of the labor market 20-30 years ago and not as it exists for most people today. You’re also ignoring clear evidence of male floundering, such as the abysmal college graduation rates.
- micromacrofoot 5y ago
  you don’t think there’s any evidence of sexism against women? for real? ceos didn’t stop existing 30 years ago? what a strange comment what is summit fallacy? do you think men graduate college less because of sexism?

heinrichhartman 5y ago

> Discussing the problems of men, as a group, is intentionally suppressed by women Don't make this into a "men" vs "women" problem. There are plenty of women who are on the right advocating for traditional family models, there are plenty of men on the front-lines of "woke" feminism. This is a clash of ideology, not between genders. #AssociationFallacy

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