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Specifically I'm referring to an earlier commenter that represents this view: > I do not recognise that government can be righteous. All I see is forcible fine

Specifically I'm referring to an earlier commenter that represents this view: > I do not recognise that government can be righteous. All I see is forcible fine extraction from the citizens it purports to help. Climate change + technology will be an excuse to take away more freedoms (of travel, life style), levy more fines and licenses, while also justifying government intrusion and micro-management (how much water, electrity, travel credits). How would a carbon cap and trade be much different or more effective than a carbon 'sin' tax? I don't know if you've heard, but the SEC is planning on requiring publicly traded companies to disclose their risks to climate change and to report emissions. I see this sort of action as moving in a positive direction for once, but it feels too little too late. > If you believe in CO2 mediated climate change. It's a little beyond time for that, now isn't it?

s1artibartfast 5y ago
>How would a carbon cap and trade be much different or more effective than a carbon 'sin' tax? Sin taxes dont necessarily solve any problems, but raise revenue that officials can spend on pet projects and caviar. They aren't morally or financially based in the damage done, and don't compensate those harmed. Money from Cap and trade doesn't have to go to the government. Private manufacturers buy them, and individuals can sell them. one example is every American gets a 1 carbon credit and they can sell it on an exchange to manufacturers (or not). >It's a little beyond time for that, now isn't it? Take that up with people who don't believe in climate change. perhaps the "someone" upthread, not me.
- formerkrogemp 5y ago
  I didn't mean you in particular, but I do think we'd agree that action is necessary; we might just disagree about the specifics and extent of implemented action. > Money from Cap and trade doesn't have to go to the government. Private manufacturers buy them, and individuals can sell them. one example is every American gets a 1 carbon credit and they can sell it on an exchange to manufacturers (or not). I think I've heard this referred to as a carbon dividend, but it's not necessarily the same. Anyways, thanks for the replies, consideration, and chat. It was pleasant.

s1artibartfast 5y ago

>How would a carbon cap and trade be much different or more effective than a carbon 'sin' tax? Sin taxes dont necessarily solve any problems, but raise revenue that officials can spend on pet projects and caviar. They aren't morally or financially based in the damage done, and don't compensate those harmed. Money from Cap and trade doesn't have to go to the government. Private manufacturers buy them, and individuals can sell them. one example is every American gets a 1 carbon credit and they can sell it on an exchange to manufacturers (or not). >It's a little beyond time for that, now isn't it? Take that up with people who don't believe in climate change. perhaps the "someone" upthread, not me.

formerkrogemp 5y ago
I didn't mean you in particular, but I do think we'd agree that action is necessary; we might just disagree about the specifics and extent of implemented action. > Money from Cap and trade doesn't have to go to the government. Private manufacturers buy them, and individuals can sell them. one example is every American gets a 1 carbon credit and they can sell it on an exchange to manufacturers (or not). I think I've heard this referred to as a carbon dividend, but it's not necessarily the same. Anyways, thanks for the replies, consideration, and chat. It was pleasant.