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> 'Shall we jump on a call?’ someone said to me last week Yeah, the answer is no. Make an effort and try to articulate what you're trying to say by text. Make

> 'Shall we jump on a call?’ someone said to me last week Yeah, the answer is no. Make an effort and try to articulate what you're trying to say by text. Make an effort I certainly won't give my time to something that can be clearly explainable by text (and no, your difficulty in doing that is not my problem)

zmmmmm 5y ago
"never ask a quick question by email when an hour long meeting with 6 people will do" I think about 50% of my meetings and hence maybe 20% of my salary are to satisfy perceptions of social etiquette and / or to hack around equitable allocation of time / priority / resources.
teekert 5y ago
Haha, replace every instance of text with voice and you have my preference, I hate long back-and-Forths over e-mail when things can be settled with a quick call.
- raverbashing 5y ago
  Yeah for things where you need to, let's say, schedule an appointment, or where there are a lot of yes/no questions back and fourth I agree But most of the time I see people wanting to "jump on a call" for something that's one or two simple questions Sure, it is also on both parts to make this work efficiently, like, if you're not synchronous, don't answer things with just yes/no, but give more detal
sascha_sl 5y ago
Often, that's not even being extroverted, that's being lazy and valuing your time more than anyone else's. If I had a penny for every time I say "please check the channel topic and link bar it's in there" I could quit work. The worst of all is people who ask extremely obvious questions. If you use GitHub Enterprise with SAML, you need to "authorize" every PAT and SSH key you use to pull enterprise repos. If you don't, GitHub will even tell you right on the command line that you need to do this and adds a link to authorize that particular credential. And yet not a month goes by that someone will paste the full message with the link to their solution and complain that their GitHub account doesn't work. Preferably with a team mention so you pull everyone out of focus because you were too lazy to actually read the error message. I really wish some tools like Slack put more work into enabling and, to some degree, enforcing asyncronous communication.
gigglesupstairs 5y ago
I think this is very contextual. I sometimes find a minute or two calls to resolve matters more efficient when accompanied by a mail right afterwards. Rather than going back and forth on a mail itself. Of course, at other times, when topic is nuanced, mail back and forth becomes a necessity.
- greenyoda 5y ago
  I'm an introverted person who used to want to do everything by e-mail, but have eventually come to agree with the usefulness of interactive communication to discuss certain types of issues. In particular, the ability to share screens via Zoom has made it a lot easier to quickly show someone a lot more context than is possible with e-mail. However, if a question can be easily resolved with a single e-mail, I much prefer that to being interrupted by a call or Slack message.

zmmmmm 5y ago

"never ask a quick question by email when an hour long meeting with 6 people will do" I think about 50% of my meetings and hence maybe 20% of my salary are to satisfy perceptions of social etiquette and / or to hack around equitable allocation of time / priority / resources.

teekert 5y ago

Haha, replace every instance of text with voice and you have my preference, I hate long back-and-Forths over e-mail when things can be settled with a quick call.

raverbashing 5y ago
Yeah for things where you need to, let's say, schedule an appointment, or where there are a lot of yes/no questions back and fourth I agree But most of the time I see people wanting to "jump on a call" for something that's one or two simple questions Sure, it is also on both parts to make this work efficiently, like, if you're not synchronous, don't answer things with just yes/no, but give more detal

sascha_sl 5y ago

Often, that's not even being extroverted, that's being lazy and valuing your time more than anyone else's. If I had a penny for every time I say "please check the channel topic and link bar it's in there" I could quit work. The worst of all is people who ask extremely obvious questions. If you use GitHub Enterprise with SAML, you need to "authorize" every PAT and SSH key you use to pull enterprise repos. If you don't, GitHub will even tell you right on the command line that you need to do this and adds a link to authorize that particular credential. And yet not a month goes by that someone will paste the full message with the link to their solution and complain that their GitHub account doesn't work. Preferably with a team mention so you pull everyone out of focus because you were too lazy to actually read the error message. I really wish some tools like Slack put more work into enabling and, to some degree, enforcing asyncronous communication.

gigglesupstairs 5y ago

I think this is very contextual. I sometimes find a minute or two calls to resolve matters more efficient when accompanied by a mail right afterwards. Rather than going back and forth on a mail itself. Of course, at other times, when topic is nuanced, mail back and forth becomes a necessity.

greenyoda 5y ago
I'm an introverted person who used to want to do everything by e-mail, but have eventually come to agree with the usefulness of interactive communication to discuss certain types of issues. In particular, the ability to share screens via Zoom has made it a lot easier to quickly show someone a lot more context than is possible with e-mail. However, if a question can be easily resolved with a single e-mail, I much prefer that to being interrupted by a call or Slack message.