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Pulseaudio had to contend with a huge number of buggy drivers, adapters, and clients. The bugs very gradually got fixed under pressure from PA, with PA always b

by ncmncm 5y ago

Pulseaudio had to contend with a huge number of buggy drivers, adapters, and clients. The bugs very gradually got fixed under pressure from PA, with PA always blamed. (PA of course also had bugs that gradually got fixed.) PW benefits from the more sane operating environment PA enforced. I always used to delete PA because I had no desire or need ever to have more than one audio source feeding more than one audio sink. We don't live in a world compatible with that model anymore.

noobermin 5y ago
Going to be very real, I do not really have more than an inkling of the "world" PW inherits or whatever, but this sounds like "trust us, this time it's okay." I might need a little more convincing this isn't just another attempt to recreate a "universal framework that covers everyone's use cases." (I won't like the obvious reference)
- sph 5y ago
  > I might need a little more convincing What about you give it a try instead?
- kaba0 5y ago
  Nice of you to dismiss people’s (mostly a single one’s) free work.
  - noobermin 5y ago
    I am not dismissing anyone's work. By this logic, the pipewire folks are dismissing ALSA and pulseaudio's work, which is equally absurd.
    - spacemanmatt 5y ago
      > the pipewire folks are dismissing ALSA and pulseaudio's work That is just not true. PW uses ALSA for physical output and it implements PA so that all the apps just work. There is nothing dismissive about that.
- ncmncm 5y ago
  That notion might seem plausible, but the author of Pipewire witnessed the entire PulseAudio process, so has strong motivation not to repeat its reception, and plenty of hindsight to help. Notably, the developer of Jack, the universally admired professional audio system, now uses PipeWire via its Jack-compatible API. He is frequently here on HN.
- spacemanmatt 5y ago
  You should read up on what PipeWire is before you talk trash about it and start implicating it in some catastrophic repeat of PulseAudio that you just made up.
vanviegen 5y ago
From what I've read, PA did expose a lot of driver bugs, but this was mostly caused by it rewinding audio buffers [0], a driver feature that was not commonly used before PA. PW doesn't use rewinding though. [0] https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/PulseAudio/Documentation/Developer/Rewinding/ https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/PulseAudio/Documen...

by ncmncm 5y ago

noobermin 5y ago

Going to be very real, I do not really have more than an inkling of the "world" PW inherits or whatever, but this sounds like "trust us, this time it's okay." I might need a little more convincing this isn't just another attempt to recreate a "universal framework that covers everyone's use cases." (I won't like the obvious reference)

sph 5y ago
> I might need a little more convincing What about you give it a try instead?
kaba0 5y ago
Nice of you to dismiss people’s (mostly a single one’s) free work.
- noobermin 5y ago
  I am not dismissing anyone's work. By this logic, the pipewire folks are dismissing ALSA and pulseaudio's work, which is equally absurd.
  - spacemanmatt 5y ago
    > the pipewire folks are dismissing ALSA and pulseaudio's work That is just not true. PW uses ALSA for physical output and it implements PA so that all the apps just work. There is nothing dismissive about that.
ncmncm 5y ago
That notion might seem plausible, but the author of Pipewire witnessed the entire PulseAudio process, so has strong motivation not to repeat its reception, and plenty of hindsight to help. Notably, the developer of Jack, the universally admired professional audio system, now uses PipeWire via its Jack-compatible API. He is frequently here on HN.
spacemanmatt 5y ago
You should read up on what PipeWire is before you talk trash about it and start implicating it in some catastrophic repeat of PulseAudio that you just made up.

vanviegen 5y ago

From what I've read, PA did expose a lot of driver bugs, but this was mostly caused by it rewinding audio buffers [0], a driver feature that was not commonly used before PA. PW doesn't use rewinding though. [0] https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/PulseAudio/Documentation/Developer/Rewinding/ https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/PulseAudio/Documen...