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>spam, child porn, and "shouting 'fire' in a crowded theater" being the three most common examples. Two of your three are not free speech issues—-spam is compl

>spam, child porn, and "shouting 'fire' in a crowded theater" being the three most common examples. Two of your three are not free speech issues—-spam is completely legal in the US. Child porn is not, but not because speech limitations but because it victimizes and is violence against children. One (yelling fire in a crowded theater) is brought out pretty regularly as a legal limit on free speech…but technically it isn’t against the law. It’s an emotional reasoning why you might consider limiting free speech, but if I walked into a theater and yelled fire, I would not be prosecuted for what I said.

LordDragonfang 5y ago
GP specifically brought up twitter, so it's clear we're not talking about the US legal concept of free speech, but rather the more poorly defined, nebulous "free speech" that (let's face it) most internet discussions are about. Talking about what you will and will not get arrested for isn't relevant in a discussion that is ultimately about moderation policies on twitter.
- kcplate 5y ago
  Not sure you read what I wrote, or if you did you specifically ignored it to try and split hairs here to argue some point I never made. I originally said Musk’s purchase of Twitter was causing some prominent dems and progressives to defend censorship and speak against the value of free speech. DeSantis taking on Disney is doing the same sort of thing, causing some prominent dems to start defending sweetheart tax deals for large corps. These were once sacred values to the democrats. No need for whataboutism on this…I frankly don’t care about the GOP. Because those two ideals are damned important, I find it disturbing that the democrats are so quick to drop their values just to be contrarian. Leads me to believe that the values never meant much to them in the first place.

LordDragonfang 5y ago

GP specifically brought up twitter, so it's clear we're not talking about the US legal concept of free speech, but rather the more poorly defined, nebulous "free speech" that (let's face it) most internet discussions are about. Talking about what you will and will not get arrested for isn't relevant in a discussion that is ultimately about moderation policies on twitter.

kcplate 5y ago
Not sure you read what I wrote, or if you did you specifically ignored it to try and split hairs here to argue some point I never made. I originally said Musk’s purchase of Twitter was causing some prominent dems and progressives to defend censorship and speak against the value of free speech. DeSantis taking on Disney is doing the same sort of thing, causing some prominent dems to start defending sweetheart tax deals for large corps. These were once sacred values to the democrats. No need for whataboutism on this…I frankly don’t care about the GOP. Because those two ideals are damned important, I find it disturbing that the democrats are so quick to drop their values just to be contrarian. Leads me to believe that the values never meant much to them in the first place.