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How do you plan to balance troll resistance with the perception of cancel culture, censorship, and anti-free speech that are echoing through the main social net

How do you plan to balance troll resistance with the perception of cancel culture, censorship, and anti-free speech that are echoing through the main social networks at the moment?

giantrobot 4y ago
Does the perception of those things actually matter? From my entirely unscientific anecdata it seems people concerned about being "canceled" are toxic assholes that can't believe other people don't want to deal with their shit. No one is owed a platform to be a toxic asshole. Trolls don't deserve a response on someone's platform. They're all free to go start their own platforms and pay for the privilege of broadcasting their bullshit.
- zeckalpha 4y ago
  Yes, it almost led to a hostile takeover attempt of Twitter.
- jeegsy 4y ago
  > toxic assholes that can't believe other people don't want to deal with their shit To use Twitter as an example, there has been the "block" and "mute" buttons for quite a while. I dont know why ppl dont use these more. To me its far more likely that the cancellation intent is to prevent the so called troll from speaking to others.
- sacrosancty 4y ago
  Pretty sure it's not assholes but rather people with opinions that the others hate. Or is that what "toxic assholes" means to you? Is expressing an assholey opinion in a polite respectful way is still toxic assholery? If that's the case, then you need to step back and work out how you decide what opinions are assholey.
  - giantrobot 4y ago
    To use an extreme example, a polite Nazi is still a Nazi. No matter how respectful they might seem they are still at their core awful pieces of shit. There's also toxic assholes just due to their obnoxious behavior. Neither inherently deserves to be heard or be amplified. Nobody needs to put up with their shit.
    - 10amxn10 4y ago
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    - sacrosancty 4y ago
      How do you decide that a Nazi is a toxic asshole while other people aren't? I'm not asking about that specific type of person but about your general way of classifying them. Where's the boundary? If some new ideology comes along, how will you know how to classify its adherents?
      - giantrobot 4y ago
        > How do you decide that a Nazi is a toxic asshole while other people aren't? Oh, that's easy. Advocating the wholesale extermination of people based on ethnicity is a strong signal you're a toxic asshole. If a new ideology comes along advocating the same thing...there's a good chance its adherents are also toxic assholes. Is this even a serious fucking question?
        sacrosancty 4y ago
        What about Nazis who don't advocate for extermination of people based on ethnicity? If you associate yourself with the ideology, are you automatically guilty of advocating all its things even if you don't agree with all of them? And yes, it's a serious question. Seems like you have a simple decision tree of ethnic extermination? -> Toxic asshole.
davidschaengold 4y ago
Our mechanism is designed to make these questions less urgent. In in-person conversations, people are usually able to act as informal moderators for each other. We hope that will work the same way on Radiopaper, rather than needing to rely on the decisions of those who operate the platform. If you don't like a message directed to you, just ignore it, and it won't be published. There will of course still be cases where Radiopaper moderators need to step in. We have a content policy that outlines the reasons we might do so: https://radiopaper.com/policies https://radiopaper.com/policies. But our hope is that most of the worst stuff will just never get published, because it will simply be ignored.

How do you plan to balance troll resistance with the perception of cancel culture, censorship, and anti-free speech that are echoing through the main social networks at the moment?

giantrobot 4y ago

Does the perception of those things actually matter? From my entirely unscientific anecdata it seems people concerned about being "canceled" are toxic assholes that can't believe other people don't want to deal with their shit. No one is owed a platform to be a toxic asshole. Trolls don't deserve a response on someone's platform. They're all free to go start their own platforms and pay for the privilege of broadcasting their bullshit.

zeckalpha 4y ago
Yes, it almost led to a hostile takeover attempt of Twitter.
jeegsy 4y ago
> toxic assholes that can't believe other people don't want to deal with their shit To use Twitter as an example, there has been the "block" and "mute" buttons for quite a while. I dont know why ppl dont use these more. To me its far more likely that the cancellation intent is to prevent the so called troll from speaking to others.
sacrosancty 4y ago
Pretty sure it's not assholes but rather people with opinions that the others hate. Or is that what "toxic assholes" means to you? Is expressing an assholey opinion in a polite respectful way is still toxic assholery? If that's the case, then you need to step back and work out how you decide what opinions are assholey.
- giantrobot 4y ago
  To use an extreme example, a polite Nazi is still a Nazi. No matter how respectful they might seem they are still at their core awful pieces of shit. There's also toxic assholes just due to their obnoxious behavior. Neither inherently deserves to be heard or be amplified. Nobody needs to put up with their shit.
  - 10amxn10 4y ago
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  - sacrosancty 4y ago
    How do you decide that a Nazi is a toxic asshole while other people aren't? I'm not asking about that specific type of person but about your general way of classifying them. Where's the boundary? If some new ideology comes along, how will you know how to classify its adherents?
    - giantrobot 4y ago
      > How do you decide that a Nazi is a toxic asshole while other people aren't? Oh, that's easy. Advocating the wholesale extermination of people based on ethnicity is a strong signal you're a toxic asshole. If a new ideology comes along advocating the same thing...there's a good chance its adherents are also toxic assholes. Is this even a serious fucking question?
      - sacrosancty 4y ago
        What about Nazis who don't advocate for extermination of people based on ethnicity? If you associate yourself with the ideology, are you automatically guilty of advocating all its things even if you don't agree with all of them? And yes, it's a serious question. Seems like you have a simple decision tree of ethnic extermination? -> Toxic asshole.

davidschaengold 4y ago

Our mechanism is designed to make these questions less urgent. In in-person conversations, people are usually able to act as informal moderators for each other. We hope that will work the same way on Radiopaper, rather than needing to rely on the decisions of those who operate the platform. If you don't like a message directed to you, just ignore it, and it won't be published. There will of course still be cases where Radiopaper moderators need to step in. We have a content policy that outlines the reasons we might do so: https://radiopaper.com/policies https://radiopaper.com/policies. But our hope is that most of the worst stuff will just never get published, because it will simply be ignored.