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Humans just tends to repeat themselves every 50 to 100 years. But the good thing is - with each iteration we are learning. It's just a bit but maybe in a thousa

by sazz 4y ago

Humans just tends to repeat themselves every 50 to 100 years. But the good thing is - with each iteration we are learning. It's just a bit but maybe in a thousand years we will come out of our puberty. And no - the world won't go down due to climate change. It won't go down because of some silly war either. It's not a simple graph showing where we are heading to. Especially not an exponential graph. And we are still repeating history because we haven't learned the simple lesson which Leo Tolstoi already knew: Everybody wants to change the world but nobody themselves. But this is where the real change starts. And do not believe all those angst people out there. Life is way too complex and beautiful that we will ever understand it's secrets and twists it's capable of.

acuozzo 4y ago
> the world won't go down due to climate change. It won't go down because of some silly war either. When most collapse-aware persons write about "the end of the world" they mean "the end of complex human civilization", not the total destruction of the planet or even the end of humanity. > It's just a bit but maybe in a thousand years we will come out of our puberty. You're asserting that we'll solve the phosphorus problem (among others) in the next 50-100 years, then? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peak_phosphorus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peak_phosphorus
- sazz 4y ago
  If you look back 150 years or so the "complex human civilization" which existed back then don't exist anymore. Maybe only in a museum or some buildings here or there. We can now label that replacement by being "evolved" or "transformed" - but the way people thought back then, were dressed, behaved in a social environment, worked or lived is now totally different. Some of those aspects are better now, some aspects got worse. What I want to say is that we can already say good bye to the current way of life because it won't exist in 150 years anymore. Maybe we have found a way that people are not triggered anymore by advertisement to consume things because they are bored with their life. And yes - a lot of things will hit us hard. Maybe we are going to solve it, maybe we will being forced to adapt. A lot of people will die, a lot of people will be born. If we can reach space, then the possibility of 10+ billion people is rather good. But even if we shrink to 500 million it won't be the end of complex human civilization. And to be honest - are you proud of the current form of "complex human civilization" and would it be such a bad thing if it would being replace with something else?

by sazz 4y ago

acuozzo 4y ago

> the world won't go down due to climate change. It won't go down because of some silly war either. When most collapse-aware persons write about "the end of the world" they mean "the end of complex human civilization", not the total destruction of the planet or even the end of humanity. > It's just a bit but maybe in a thousand years we will come out of our puberty. You're asserting that we'll solve the phosphorus problem (among others) in the next 50-100 years, then? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peak_phosphorus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peak_phosphorus

sazz 4y ago
If you look back 150 years or so the "complex human civilization" which existed back then don't exist anymore. Maybe only in a museum or some buildings here or there. We can now label that replacement by being "evolved" or "transformed" - but the way people thought back then, were dressed, behaved in a social environment, worked or lived is now totally different. Some of those aspects are better now, some aspects got worse. What I want to say is that we can already say good bye to the current way of life because it won't exist in 150 years anymore. Maybe we have found a way that people are not triggered anymore by advertisement to consume things because they are bored with their life. And yes - a lot of things will hit us hard. Maybe we are going to solve it, maybe we will being forced to adapt. A lot of people will die, a lot of people will be born. If we can reach space, then the possibility of 10+ billion people is rather good. But even if we shrink to 500 million it won't be the end of complex human civilization. And to be honest - are you proud of the current form of "complex human civilization" and would it be such a bad thing if it would being replace with something else?