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Why is this dependant on receiving threats? By that point people already have your info. Why can't I remove it without jumping through hoops?

throwaway0220 4y ago
> Why is this dependant on receiving threats? It is not. From the form [1]: "...that has POTENTIAL to create significant risks of identity theft, financial fraud, harmful direct contact, or other specific harms..." (emphasis mine). The requirements section states that you may request removal due to the page having "personally identifiable info" OR doxxing content "used in implicit or explicit threats". Now, there's exceptions to this (e.g. public records, newsworthy content), but nowhere it says you have to receive threats first before requesting removal. disclaimer: Googler, but no relationship with the team, and have no other knowledge of this policy other reading the public blog post. [1] https://support.google.com/websearch/answer/9673730 https://support.google.com/websearch/answer/9673730
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- jjulius 4y ago
  >It is not. >... nowhere it says you have to receive threats first before requesting removal. Oh come on now, this is taken directly from your link: >Requirements to remove doxxing content >For us to consider the content for removal, it must meet both of these requirements: >1. Your contact info is present. >2. There’s the presence of: >- Explicit or implicit threats, or >- Explicit or implicit calls to action for others to harm or harass. So, yes. To remove doxxing content, you are required to show proof of explicit or implicit threats. If you think about it, the way the requirements are set up are pretty damn backwards. Are you just requesting your personal info to be removed just for the sake of having it removed? Sure, as long as it's your CC/bank account/SSN/whatever else on that list, they'll remove it. But if you tell them you're being doxxed? Well fuck you, they won't just up and remove the data like they would've before, now you have to prove you're being targeted, too. It's like it'd be easier to have the doxxing content removed if you didn't tell them you're being doxxed.
  - lupire 4y ago
    It's confusing. The policy document lists contact info twice, and to the form is missing the "other doxxing content" option. It looks like the form has design errors that don't match the policy.
  - throwaway0220 4y ago
    Isn't it a tautology? When you're doxxed, your personal identifiable information was revealed to threat or shame you, so yes, you were explicitly or implicitly threatened. The other part of the form allows you to require removal just by stating that it has your "personally identifiable information". For example, the many sites offering background checks, your address history, etc. I agree the form is confusing and should be simplified (i.e., the whole doxxing section seems redundant to me, and should be sub-bullets of the PII section), but OP's comment that you can only request removal after receiving threats is factually incorrect.
- KennyBlanken 4y ago
  "Is your contact information being shared with malicious, threatening, or harassing intent, which is known as doxxing? - Yes, the contact info is being shared with doxxing intent - No, the contact info is not being shared with doxxing intent" The headline is extremely misleading.
  - lupire 4y ago
    The policy document is slightly inconsistent with itself and inconsistent with the form options. This was not well reviewed.
Barrin92 4y ago
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dylan604 4y ago
>Why can't I remove it without jumping through hoops? Because the biggest hoop is that the data is not located in just one place. It's the internet, so the data is shared/duplicated as fast as it becomes available. You have no idea how many places it lives because not all places are available for public browsing. Some one buys it, then resells it ad nauseam.
- genewitch 4y ago
  Let's all collectively cut this 1.7 trillion dollar market cap company some slack. They only made all their money indexing and storing data for the last 20 years, they can't be expected to know how to not return results. They've never had to do that before, they just return everything you can type in right away. Give me a break, especially the "googler" in this thread.
  - dylan604 4y ago
    >Give me a break, especially the "googler" in this thread. No. Just no. This is a 1.7 trillion dollar company. They can spend some of that money fixing the broken system they created, but they chose no. So no slack will be cut/granted from me to them. >they just return everything you can type in right away. No they don't. They return something that is most monetarily beneficial to them whether that is relevant to you or not.
dannysullivan 4y ago
I work for Google Search. There is NO requirement of threat to remove anything listed as personally identifiable information on this page (such as personal contact info, medical records, login credentials, etc): https://support.google.com/websearch/answer/9673730 https://support.google.com/websearch/answer/9673730 Beyond those things listed, in some cases someone who is being threatened might feel there's additional information that someone might feel is somehow personally identifying. This is where the doxxing/threat option can be used, for something not on the list where no threat is required. Appreciate this is confusing to some; we'll be looking at how to clarify that.
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throwaway0220 4y ago

> Why is this dependant on receiving threats? It is not. From the form [1]: "...that has POTENTIAL to create significant risks of identity theft, financial fraud, harmful direct contact, or other specific harms..." (emphasis mine). The requirements section states that you may request removal due to the page having "personally identifiable info" OR doxxing content "used in implicit or explicit threats". Now, there's exceptions to this (e.g. public records, newsworthy content), but nowhere it says you have to receive threats first before requesting removal. disclaimer: Googler, but no relationship with the team, and have no other knowledge of this policy other reading the public blog post. [1] https://support.google.com/websearch/answer/9673730 https://support.google.com/websearch/answer/9673730

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jjulius 4y ago
>It is not. >... nowhere it says you have to receive threats first before requesting removal. Oh come on now, this is taken directly from your link: >Requirements to remove doxxing content >For us to consider the content for removal, it must meet both of these requirements: >1. Your contact info is present. >2. There’s the presence of: >- Explicit or implicit threats, or >- Explicit or implicit calls to action for others to harm or harass. So, yes. To remove doxxing content, you are required to show proof of explicit or implicit threats. If you think about it, the way the requirements are set up are pretty damn backwards. Are you just requesting your personal info to be removed just for the sake of having it removed? Sure, as long as it's your CC/bank account/SSN/whatever else on that list, they'll remove it. But if you tell them you're being doxxed? Well fuck you, they won't just up and remove the data like they would've before, now you have to prove you're being targeted, too. It's like it'd be easier to have the doxxing content removed if you didn't tell them you're being doxxed.
- lupire 4y ago
  It's confusing. The policy document lists contact info twice, and to the form is missing the "other doxxing content" option. It looks like the form has design errors that don't match the policy.
- throwaway0220 4y ago
  Isn't it a tautology? When you're doxxed, your personal identifiable information was revealed to threat or shame you, so yes, you were explicitly or implicitly threatened. The other part of the form allows you to require removal just by stating that it has your "personally identifiable information". For example, the many sites offering background checks, your address history, etc. I agree the form is confusing and should be simplified (i.e., the whole doxxing section seems redundant to me, and should be sub-bullets of the PII section), but OP's comment that you can only request removal after receiving threats is factually incorrect.
KennyBlanken 4y ago
"Is your contact information being shared with malicious, threatening, or harassing intent, which is known as doxxing? - Yes, the contact info is being shared with doxxing intent - No, the contact info is not being shared with doxxing intent" The headline is extremely misleading.
- lupire 4y ago
  The policy document is slightly inconsistent with itself and inconsistent with the form options. This was not well reviewed.

Barrin92 4y ago

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dylan604 4y ago

>Why can't I remove it without jumping through hoops? Because the biggest hoop is that the data is not located in just one place. It's the internet, so the data is shared/duplicated as fast as it becomes available. You have no idea how many places it lives because not all places are available for public browsing. Some one buys it, then resells it ad nauseam.

genewitch 4y ago
Let's all collectively cut this 1.7 trillion dollar market cap company some slack. They only made all their money indexing and storing data for the last 20 years, they can't be expected to know how to not return results. They've never had to do that before, they just return everything you can type in right away. Give me a break, especially the "googler" in this thread.
- dylan604 4y ago
  >Give me a break, especially the "googler" in this thread. No. Just no. This is a 1.7 trillion dollar company. They can spend some of that money fixing the broken system they created, but they chose no. So no slack will be cut/granted from me to them. >they just return everything you can type in right away. No they don't. They return something that is most monetarily beneficial to them whether that is relevant to you or not.

dannysullivan 4y ago

I work for Google Search. There is NO requirement of threat to remove anything listed as personally identifiable information on this page (such as personal contact info, medical records, login credentials, etc): https://support.google.com/websearch/answer/9673730 https://support.google.com/websearch/answer/9673730 Beyond those things listed, in some cases someone who is being threatened might feel there's additional information that someone might feel is somehow personally identifying. This is where the doxxing/threat option can be used, for something not on the list where no threat is required. Appreciate this is confusing to some; we'll be looking at how to clarify that.

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