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I understand the point you are making, but I feel that using a female pronoun while discussing Thomas being male would have been the more jarring linguistic cho

by ttytg 4y ago

I understand the point you are making, but I feel that using a female pronoun while discussing Thomas being male would have been the more jarring linguistic choice, given the subject.

4ggr0 4y ago
I know what you mean. But pronouns which relate to social gender can be differentiated from sex/biological gender. To rewrite your original comment, "Lia Thomas, who was born male, was permitted to compete on the basis of her gender identity claims" would be a fine and understandable statement, I think. When talking about the person Lia Thomas, we are talking about a woman. She's Lia Thomas. Yes, she was assigned male at birth and her biological gender is male, but the person is female. Again, I am maybe a bit petty, but I think this is exactly one of these important aspects when talking about transsexuality. I'm not really disagreeing with what you're essentially saying, just trying to make a point about transsexuality.
- lbj 4y ago
  Thomas has said himself, that he does not care about pronouns, as long as he gets to destroy women sports, so I don't understand why you're so offended on his behalf. Having said that, of course he's not a woman. No doctor in the world would disagree with me on that. You're deluded by some kind of ideology which puts even Idiocracy to shame. Snap out of it.
  - 4ggr0 4y ago
    > Thomas has said himself, that he does not care about pronouns, as long as he gets to destroy women sports Source? > don't understand why you're so offended I'm not offended, why else would I mention multiple times that I'm being petty, but trying to make a point and start a conversation about transsexuality. > Having said that, of course he's not a woman. No doctor in the world would disagree with me on that Yet another person who doesn't understand the difference between sex and gender and instead decides to belittle me. Nothing I haven't experienced yet, still disappointing.
- ttytg 4y ago
  I see your point, but I think one has to take the context of the conversation into account too. In a social situation involving a transgender person, it's considered polite to use pronouns that won't exacerbate any gender dysphoria they may feel. I would think that most of us have done this at some point, as a kindness. However if we're discussing a controversial public figure, and the topic is sex versus gender identity, I feel it makes more sense to use pronouns that match up with material reality, for the sake of clarity.

by ttytg 4y ago

I understand the point you are making, but I feel that using a female pronoun while discussing Thomas being male would have been the more jarring linguistic choice, given the subject.

4ggr0 4y ago

I know what you mean. But pronouns which relate to social gender can be differentiated from sex/biological gender. To rewrite your original comment, "Lia Thomas, who was born male, was permitted to compete on the basis of her gender identity claims" would be a fine and understandable statement, I think. When talking about the person Lia Thomas, we are talking about a woman. She's Lia Thomas. Yes, she was assigned male at birth and her biological gender is male, but the person is female. Again, I am maybe a bit petty, but I think this is exactly one of these important aspects when talking about transsexuality. I'm not really disagreeing with what you're essentially saying, just trying to make a point about transsexuality.

lbj 4y ago
Thomas has said himself, that he does not care about pronouns, as long as he gets to destroy women sports, so I don't understand why you're so offended on his behalf. Having said that, of course he's not a woman. No doctor in the world would disagree with me on that. You're deluded by some kind of ideology which puts even Idiocracy to shame. Snap out of it.
- 4ggr0 4y ago
  > Thomas has said himself, that he does not care about pronouns, as long as he gets to destroy women sports Source? > don't understand why you're so offended I'm not offended, why else would I mention multiple times that I'm being petty, but trying to make a point and start a conversation about transsexuality. > Having said that, of course he's not a woman. No doctor in the world would disagree with me on that Yet another person who doesn't understand the difference between sex and gender and instead decides to belittle me. Nothing I haven't experienced yet, still disappointing.
ttytg 4y ago
I see your point, but I think one has to take the context of the conversation into account too. In a social situation involving a transgender person, it's considered polite to use pronouns that won't exacerbate any gender dysphoria they may feel. I would think that most of us have done this at some point, as a kindness. However if we're discussing a controversial public figure, and the topic is sex versus gender identity, I feel it makes more sense to use pronouns that match up with material reality, for the sake of clarity.