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> full of shameless lies about most historical events ... skiing had been invented and developed by Russians, before the English and the Norse I opened Wikiped

by kgeist 5y ago

> full of shameless lies about most historical events ... skiing had been invented and developed by Russians, before the English and the Norse I opened Wikipedia and immediately found this as the second sentence: "The earliest archaeological examples of skis were found in Russia and date to 6000 BCE." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_skiing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_skiing They also mention China there. Sure attributing it to modern Slavs is anachronistic, but was there really such attribution in those school manuals you read? Or did they simply mean it was the territory of USSR where the first examples were found? It's modern skiing which was developed in Scandinavia. I'd say it's often quite the opposite, Western historiography is largely Eurocentric and disregards a lot of what happened in Asia/Africa.

kjs3 5y ago
"Found in Russia and date to 6000 BCE" and "invented and developed by Russians" are not equivalent.
adrian_b 5y ago
No, in those manuals (from around 1965) there was nothing about archaeological discoveries. Moreover, the use of skis is not the same with organized skiing competitions and special training methods for them. Also, it was not enough to claim that all kinds of ancient inventions were due to Russians, the claims were that they were due to Russian peasants, because of course nothing good could have originated in Russian "enemies of the people", e.g. aristocrats or bourgeoisie.
- kgeist 5y ago
  >the claims were that they were due to Russian peasants, because of course nothing good could have originated in Russian "enemies of the people", e.g. aristocrats or bourgeoisie. So it was the usual communist propaganda about social classes, but what you originally said sounded more like Russian nationalism.
smsm42 5y ago
Well, if we think about it in generic terms, skis probably were developed in places where there's a lot of snow, but also some wood suitable for making skis. Also, finding those from thousands years old would be an unfrequent occasion since wood usually does not preserve that well. So, the highest probability for such discovery would be in the country that has a lot of territory that has both wood and snow. Russia is definitely one of such countries, so I am not surprised by that claim.

by kgeist 5y ago

kjs3 5y ago

"Found in Russia and date to 6000 BCE" and "invented and developed by Russians" are not equivalent.

adrian_b 5y ago

No, in those manuals (from around 1965) there was nothing about archaeological discoveries. Moreover, the use of skis is not the same with organized skiing competitions and special training methods for them. Also, it was not enough to claim that all kinds of ancient inventions were due to Russians, the claims were that they were due to Russian peasants, because of course nothing good could have originated in Russian "enemies of the people", e.g. aristocrats or bourgeoisie.

kgeist 5y ago
>the claims were that they were due to Russian peasants, because of course nothing good could have originated in Russian "enemies of the people", e.g. aristocrats or bourgeoisie. So it was the usual communist propaganda about social classes, but what you originally said sounded more like Russian nationalism.

smsm42 5y ago

Well, if we think about it in generic terms, skis probably were developed in places where there's a lot of snow, but also some wood suitable for making skis. Also, finding those from thousands years old would be an unfrequent occasion since wood usually does not preserve that well. So, the highest probability for such discovery would be in the country that has a lot of territory that has both wood and snow. Russia is definitely one of such countries, so I am not surprised by that claim.