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But that sentence continues with > including but not limited to information about your RED Camera, Camera Module, computer, system and application software, us

But that sentence continues with > including but not limited to information about your RED Camera, Camera Module, computer, system and application software, usage, content, and peripherals Should I be reading the "content" part as "information about your content" ? As in, metadata about the content? Lens focal lengths, recording quality, codecs, etc? That would make more sense.

thfuran 4y ago
That's the correct reading but I'm not sure just how much leeway "including but not limited to" tends to get. Does that, in practice, mean "things like the following" or does it mean "literally anything"?
- fjfbsufhdvfy 4y ago
  It refers to the previous section of the same sentence, these things are given as examples of "technical, diagnostic, usage and related information". It'd be up to a court to decide whether something not part of the examples could be reasonably called that.
- Jiro 4y ago
  It means "things like the following". https://applawyers.org/blog/10317283 https://applawyers.org/blog/10317283
fjfbsufhdvfy 4y ago
"usage" and "content" are part of a list following "information about", so they are collecting information about content, not content itself. What exactly that means in practice, we are all just guessing unless you go and ask them to clarify. Probably things like what settings you used for your videos so they can analyze which features are most popular/worth improving. At least in the EU, if this EULA was not clearly accessible/communicated on the store page before purchase, it would just be invalid, and you'd have a case that the product doesn't work. They're banking on people having more important things to do and just clicking accept to use their product...
- Aaargh20318 4y ago
  > "usage" and "content" are part of a list following "information about" Sure, but that is preceded by “including but not limited to”, so that is a non-exhaustive list of examples.

thfuran 4y ago

That's the correct reading but I'm not sure just how much leeway "including but not limited to" tends to get. Does that, in practice, mean "things like the following" or does it mean "literally anything"?

fjfbsufhdvfy 4y ago
It refers to the previous section of the same sentence, these things are given as examples of "technical, diagnostic, usage and related information". It'd be up to a court to decide whether something not part of the examples could be reasonably called that.
Jiro 4y ago
It means "things like the following". https://applawyers.org/blog/10317283 https://applawyers.org/blog/10317283

fjfbsufhdvfy 4y ago

"usage" and "content" are part of a list following "information about", so they are collecting information about content, not content itself. What exactly that means in practice, we are all just guessing unless you go and ask them to clarify. Probably things like what settings you used for your videos so they can analyze which features are most popular/worth improving. At least in the EU, if this EULA was not clearly accessible/communicated on the store page before purchase, it would just be invalid, and you'd have a case that the product doesn't work. They're banking on people having more important things to do and just clicking accept to use their product...

Aaargh20318 4y ago
> "usage" and "content" are part of a list following "information about" Sure, but that is preceded by “including but not limited to”, so that is a non-exhaustive list of examples.