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That's nice but it's not milk so ... apples to oranges. I'm not being unreasonable here, some people just won't give up real meat or milk, ever.

wbsss4412 5y ago
I don’t see what your point is… this isn’t an either or thing. It’s not literally milk, but these are clearly milk substitutes, where people use them when they would otherwise use milk.
- moralestapia 5y ago
  A fake Rolex produces up to 4.5x less greenhouse gas emissions than a real one. Would that matter for collectors? PS. I don't care about watches at all, btw.
  - rawrenstein 5y ago
    Is there some sort of milk collectors guild I don’t know about?
toomuchtodo 5y ago
There is a death spiral that can occur when demand for dairy milk declines below a level where the supply chain can no longer support itself economically. Milk consumption is down 40% from the 70s in the US, 2730 dairy farms went out of business between 2018 and 2020, and if I had to hazard a guess, younger folks are going to prefer non dairy alternatives (for a variety of reasons). https://www.theguardian.com/food/2020/jan/06/us-dairy-industry-suffering-americans-consume-less-milk https://www.theguardian.com/food/2020/jan/06/us-dairy-indust...
- SauciestGNU 5y ago
  This is good. Bovine animal husbandry is one of the biggest contributors to climate change, and we as a society should allow the market to kill the industry before it kills us.
- CPLX 5y ago
  What about cheese? It seems popular.
- brimble 5y ago
  If this causes decent cheese to go past "damn, that's expensive" and into "I can no longer afford this", at least I won't mind death so much, I guess.
- ifyoubuildit 5y ago
  Assuming there is still some demand, this would presumably open up opportunities for small local dairies, no?
  - toomuchtodo 5y ago
    At a premium price, yes. Depending on the macro, there’s always a low volume artisanal segment at a price point that covers costs.
wittycardio 5y ago
Saying you will never give up something regardless of the costs is the definition of being unreasonable
lern_too_spel 5y ago
And how many people are those "some people?" If it's less than 100% of all current milk drinkers, there is some benefit to be had, and the more people that are comfortable with milk substitutes more often, the greater that benefit. The point is to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, not get to 0, which isn't possible with milk alternatives either.

wbsss4412 5y ago

I don’t see what your point is… this isn’t an either or thing. It’s not literally milk, but these are clearly milk substitutes, where people use them when they would otherwise use milk.

moralestapia 5y ago
A fake Rolex produces up to 4.5x less greenhouse gas emissions than a real one. Would that matter for collectors? PS. I don't care about watches at all, btw.
- rawrenstein 5y ago
  Is there some sort of milk collectors guild I don’t know about?

toomuchtodo 5y ago

There is a death spiral that can occur when demand for dairy milk declines below a level where the supply chain can no longer support itself economically. Milk consumption is down 40% from the 70s in the US, 2730 dairy farms went out of business between 2018 and 2020, and if I had to hazard a guess, younger folks are going to prefer non dairy alternatives (for a variety of reasons). https://www.theguardian.com/food/2020/jan/06/us-dairy-industry-suffering-americans-consume-less-milk https://www.theguardian.com/food/2020/jan/06/us-dairy-indust...

SauciestGNU 5y ago
This is good. Bovine animal husbandry is one of the biggest contributors to climate change, and we as a society should allow the market to kill the industry before it kills us.
CPLX 5y ago
What about cheese? It seems popular.
brimble 5y ago
If this causes decent cheese to go past "damn, that's expensive" and into "I can no longer afford this", at least I won't mind death so much, I guess.
ifyoubuildit 5y ago
Assuming there is still some demand, this would presumably open up opportunities for small local dairies, no?
- toomuchtodo 5y ago
  At a premium price, yes. Depending on the macro, there’s always a low volume artisanal segment at a price point that covers costs.

wittycardio 5y ago

Saying you will never give up something regardless of the costs is the definition of being unreasonable

lern_too_spel 5y ago

And how many people are those "some people?" If it's less than 100% of all current milk drinkers, there is some benefit to be had, and the more people that are comfortable with milk substitutes more often, the greater that benefit. The point is to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, not get to 0, which isn't possible with milk alternatives either.