5 ms·

This is the second day in a row where a post about Go in a negative light was flagged. The first one was an extremely detailed criticism, maintained the front p

This is the second day in a row where a post about Go in a negative light was flagged. The first one was an extremely detailed criticism, maintained the front page, and was flagged like crazy. What gives?

eatonphil 5y ago
Could you link? I must have missed it.
- gjsman-1000 5y ago
  https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31191700 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31191700
  - eatonphil 5y ago
    Ah OK just the author's 2020 post. Thanks!
sph 5y ago
This is the second day in a row where a post about Go _from the same blog_ has been posted. I think that's enough, especially since it's mostly a knee jerk reaction from that very HN post from yesterday. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31191700 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31191700
- whimsicalism 5y ago
  What makes a reaction knee jerk? Is it just not liking it?
- gjsman-1000 5y ago
  Who cares if it is a legitimate criticism and makes unique points in both cases (also, they were both written two years apart!)? Some call it "inflammatory" but it has scientific and critical value nonetheless.
  - dragonwriter 5y ago
    > Who cares if it is a legitimate criticism and makes unique points in both cases? Clearly, the people flagging it care, whether because they disagree with your assessment of it providing legitimate criticism and unique points in both cases, or because they think some other quality it has outweighs that in assessing it against the bar for belonging on HN. > Some call it "inflammatory" but it has scientific and critical value nonetheless. Value is subjective and people clearly disagree with you on this point.
    - gjsman-1000 5y ago
      If you find it does not have value to you, don't upvote it and ignore it. Don't flag it to try to hide it from people who it may have value for. It's clearly not spam, so it's not your job to determine whether it has value for other people.
      - sph 5y ago
        Flagging posts that would not fit on HN or would just cause pointless flamewars is acceptable. Given the state of this thread, I think it's even more justified. "Users [flag] post as breaking the guidelines or otherwise not belonging on HN." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html
        BaseballPhysics 5y ago
        I've seen far more inflammatory commentary/criticism in the tech community over the years. This post is honestly pretty mild if you look at it objectively. The fact that a small subset of the Go community is triggered by this post and can't behave in a civil manner isn't a reason to flag it.
        sph 5y ago
        Can we do without the finger pointing as well? I am not part of the Go community, and I would prefer not seeing any reaction posts and divisive opinion pieces on this forum, whatever the language or topic. Honestly I just hope @dang nukes this thread from orbit, and maybe it'll be posted again and get a cooler reaction from everybody.
- ackfoobar 5y ago
  This post is (sort-of) a response to yesterday's discussion. I think it's fair to post it today.
  - sph 5y ago
    The author is active on HN, he was active on yesterday's thread. Shall we post tomorrow's response as well?
    - jhugo 5y ago
      Anyone can post it if they want to. If it gets enough upvotes it will be on the front page for a while, just like this one...
      - hu3 5y ago
        And users are free to flag if they deem the content spammy.
        jhugo 5y ago
        Yes, exactly, although I personally don't see how a substantive post, responding to a well-discussed issue from the previous day, could possibly qualify as "spam". I guess others agree, since the post did not remain flagged.
        hu3 5y ago
        And others are free to disagree with your opinion. I read the content as lacking maturity, emotionally loaded and not the kind of content that fosters productive conversation in HN (as can be evidenced by the caliber of most comments in this thread). The post is not explicitly flagged but nowhere to be seen in HN first pages. Take that as a hint.
        jhugo 5y ago
        > The post is not explicitly flagged but nowhere to be seen in HN first pages. Take that as a hint. It's been almost 24 hours since it was posted, a majority of posts are buried by then. The post seems to have followed a fairly normal lifecycle. I am not a huge fan of the tone of the OP either, but it does have substantive content and discusses genuine issues (though it probably is not the best way to trigger discussion of those issues), some of which have bitten people at my workplace (dealing with bugs in two different very popular products written in Go, the kind of bugs that are simply not possible in other languages) in just the last week. It would be interesting to see the response to a less inflammatory article discussing the same issues — I have noticed in general that criticism of Go is often badly received around here regardless of its tone.
- BaseballPhysics 5y ago
  > This is the second day in a row where a post about Go _from the same blog_ has been posted. Unless you consider this post either spam or off topic (and I personally don't believe it falls into either category), then flagging the post is not in keeping with my understanding of the site guidelines. Just don't upvote it.
brundolf 5y ago
To play devil's advocate: this author is known for often having a combative style. There's usually lots of good substance alongside that style, but the tone is what it is, and you could argue that it's needlessly incendiary. (Though in their defense, the post yesterday was self-described at the very top as "a proper rant") HN is a powder keg of emotions about programming languages, and fasterthanlime's posts tend to be... shall we say, "sparky"
- gjsman-1000 5y ago
  But that is literally one of the oldest logical fallacies in the book - Ad Homenem - defined as "(of an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining."
  - brundolf 5y ago
    I'm not saying people were right to react this way, I'm just explaining.

eatonphil 5y ago

Could you link? I must have missed it.

gjsman-1000 5y ago
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31191700 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31191700
- eatonphil 5y ago
  Ah OK just the author's 2020 post. Thanks!

sph 5y ago

This is the second day in a row where a post about Go _from the same blog_ has been posted. I think that's enough, especially since it's mostly a knee jerk reaction from that very HN post from yesterday. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31191700 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31191700

whimsicalism 5y ago
What makes a reaction knee jerk? Is it just not liking it?
gjsman-1000 5y ago
Who cares if it is a legitimate criticism and makes unique points in both cases (also, they were both written two years apart!)? Some call it "inflammatory" but it has scientific and critical value nonetheless.
- dragonwriter 5y ago
  > Who cares if it is a legitimate criticism and makes unique points in both cases? Clearly, the people flagging it care, whether because they disagree with your assessment of it providing legitimate criticism and unique points in both cases, or because they think some other quality it has outweighs that in assessing it against the bar for belonging on HN. > Some call it "inflammatory" but it has scientific and critical value nonetheless. Value is subjective and people clearly disagree with you on this point.
  - gjsman-1000 5y ago
    If you find it does not have value to you, don't upvote it and ignore it. Don't flag it to try to hide it from people who it may have value for. It's clearly not spam, so it's not your job to determine whether it has value for other people.
    - sph 5y ago
      Flagging posts that would not fit on HN or would just cause pointless flamewars is acceptable. Given the state of this thread, I think it's even more justified. "Users [flag] post as breaking the guidelines or otherwise not belonging on HN." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html
      - BaseballPhysics 5y ago
        I've seen far more inflammatory commentary/criticism in the tech community over the years. This post is honestly pretty mild if you look at it objectively. The fact that a small subset of the Go community is triggered by this post and can't behave in a civil manner isn't a reason to flag it.
        sph 5y ago
        Can we do without the finger pointing as well? I am not part of the Go community, and I would prefer not seeing any reaction posts and divisive opinion pieces on this forum, whatever the language or topic. Honestly I just hope @dang nukes this thread from orbit, and maybe it'll be posted again and get a cooler reaction from everybody.
ackfoobar 5y ago
This post is (sort-of) a response to yesterday's discussion. I think it's fair to post it today.
- sph 5y ago
  The author is active on HN, he was active on yesterday's thread. Shall we post tomorrow's response as well?
  - jhugo 5y ago
    Anyone can post it if they want to. If it gets enough upvotes it will be on the front page for a while, just like this one...
    - hu3 5y ago
      And users are free to flag if they deem the content spammy.
      - jhugo 5y ago
        Yes, exactly, although I personally don't see how a substantive post, responding to a well-discussed issue from the previous day, could possibly qualify as "spam". I guess others agree, since the post did not remain flagged.
        hu3 5y ago
        And others are free to disagree with your opinion. I read the content as lacking maturity, emotionally loaded and not the kind of content that fosters productive conversation in HN (as can be evidenced by the caliber of most comments in this thread). The post is not explicitly flagged but nowhere to be seen in HN first pages. Take that as a hint.
        jhugo 5y ago
        > The post is not explicitly flagged but nowhere to be seen in HN first pages. Take that as a hint. It's been almost 24 hours since it was posted, a majority of posts are buried by then. The post seems to have followed a fairly normal lifecycle. I am not a huge fan of the tone of the OP either, but it does have substantive content and discusses genuine issues (though it probably is not the best way to trigger discussion of those issues), some of which have bitten people at my workplace (dealing with bugs in two different very popular products written in Go, the kind of bugs that are simply not possible in other languages) in just the last week. It would be interesting to see the response to a less inflammatory article discussing the same issues — I have noticed in general that criticism of Go is often badly received around here regardless of its tone.
BaseballPhysics 5y ago
> This is the second day in a row where a post about Go _from the same blog_ has been posted. Unless you consider this post either spam or off topic (and I personally don't believe it falls into either category), then flagging the post is not in keeping with my understanding of the site guidelines. Just don't upvote it.

brundolf 5y ago

To play devil's advocate: this author is known for often having a combative style. There's usually lots of good substance alongside that style, but the tone is what it is, and you could argue that it's needlessly incendiary. (Though in their defense, the post yesterday was self-described at the very top as "a proper rant") HN is a powder keg of emotions about programming languages, and fasterthanlime's posts tend to be... shall we say, "sparky"

gjsman-1000 5y ago
But that is literally one of the oldest logical fallacies in the book - Ad Homenem - defined as "(of an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining."
- brundolf 5y ago
  I'm not saying people were right to react this way, I'm just explaining.