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No, gender dysphoria has existed since like forever. But it's certainly not a good sign when our institutions try to indoctrinate us with gender ideology. [1]

No, gender dysphoria has existed since like forever. But it's certainly not a good sign when our institutions try to indoctrinate us with gender ideology. [1] The day it really becomes "the science" is the day I will lose hope in the rest of the apparatus. Lysenkoism [2] be damned. [1]: And by that I mean believing that we should behave as if there are no differences between biological females and MTF, or that it's all just a "social construct", or that we have a moral duty to "deconstruct" all social constructs which interfere with some ideology. [2]: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysenkoism https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysenkoism

mikkergp 4y ago
What’s it like to have such strong feelings about gender? I don’t have that, the idea that it’s all just a social construct is so embedded in the way I see the world, I just don’t see how anything about sexuality or biology are immutably connected to gender identity. To me the two are completely divorced from each other.
- cato_the_elder 4y ago
  Interesting, doesn't that Lia Thomas photo [1] make you laugh (or make you angry if you care about college swimming)? [2] > To me the two are completely divorced from each other. Some of it certainly could be. But insisting that it's all just a social construct makes it hard to explain things which are prevalent and similar across different cultures. (e.g. females growing their hair, or them being generally "cleaner", or intonation differences, etc.) Or even more broadly, the fact that males and females of different cultures can be attracted to each other, even though the exact gender expressions might be different. [1]: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FOHlDIxWQAAaJwX?format=jpg&name=small https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FOHlDIxWQAAaJwX?format=jpg&name=... [2]: It certainly does for many people, to the extent that the scene could come from a South Park episode: https://www.vgr.com/forum/uploads/monthly_2022_03/FB_IMG_1647639884189.jpg.196955d15662d93e6c5e4f79e469d3b7.jpg https://www.vgr.com/forum/uploads/monthly_2022_03/FB_IMG_164...
  - mikkergp 4y ago
    I can observe that Gender is one of the strongest social constructs that we have. But I think most of the ideas around them; Men shouldn’t cry, women are better caretakers; are not inherent, they’re a function of inertia. You can probably find more examples of people who don’t fit the mold in one way or the other than people who do. Also, women not being “woman enough” for sports has been an issue prior to the idea of transition. See Surya Bonaly and Caster Semenya

mikkergp 4y ago

What’s it like to have such strong feelings about gender? I don’t have that, the idea that it’s all just a social construct is so embedded in the way I see the world, I just don’t see how anything about sexuality or biology are immutably connected to gender identity. To me the two are completely divorced from each other.

cato_the_elder 4y ago
Interesting, doesn't that Lia Thomas photo [1] make you laugh (or make you angry if you care about college swimming)? [2] > To me the two are completely divorced from each other. Some of it certainly could be. But insisting that it's all just a social construct makes it hard to explain things which are prevalent and similar across different cultures. (e.g. females growing their hair, or them being generally "cleaner", or intonation differences, etc.) Or even more broadly, the fact that males and females of different cultures can be attracted to each other, even though the exact gender expressions might be different. [1]: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FOHlDIxWQAAaJwX?format=jpg&name=small https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FOHlDIxWQAAaJwX?format=jpg&name=... [2]: It certainly does for many people, to the extent that the scene could come from a South Park episode: https://www.vgr.com/forum/uploads/monthly_2022_03/FB_IMG_1647639884189.jpg.196955d15662d93e6c5e4f79e469d3b7.jpg https://www.vgr.com/forum/uploads/monthly_2022_03/FB_IMG_164...
- mikkergp 4y ago
  I can observe that Gender is one of the strongest social constructs that we have. But I think most of the ideas around them; Men shouldn’t cry, women are better caretakers; are not inherent, they’re a function of inertia. You can probably find more examples of people who don’t fit the mold in one way or the other than people who do. Also, women not being “woman enough” for sports has been an issue prior to the idea of transition. See Surya Bonaly and Caster Semenya