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> the Rust community used to be known for its politeness and always being fair to other language communities I have no particular affinity for Go or Rust. As a

by cnasc 4y ago

> the Rust community used to be known for its politeness and always being fair to other language communities I have no particular affinity for Go or Rust. As an outsider this is not how I’ve ever perceived the Rust community, because the most present and visible parts of the Rust community were people showing up and complaining that Project X didn’t use their preferred silver bullet

collegeburner 4y ago
Also honestly it's very toxic to anybody right of center. It's the type that says "we're so accepting" when really they only are of certain stuff. Lots of pronoun people and making the mascot "non binary" is needlessly shoving their ideology down people's throat. Not a problem in the U.S. because it fits with the corporate woke ideology but sure as hell gonna be if they want more worldwide community. It's also way too hugboxxy and tbh that feels just as toxic some times as the alternative. Positivity to the point where it's obviously fake and forced and insincere. Edit: howinteresting I can't reply to your comment but you are proving my point. At least you people are being more honest that it is intended to exclude a bunch of people.
- howinteresting 4y ago
- Georgelemental 4y ago
  As someone who both loves the Rust language and is very right of center, I've never found politics to pose much of a problem for the Rust community in practice. Yes there is occasional virtue signalling here and there but people don't let it get in the way of making programs that work.
  - samhw 4y ago
    Yeah, as someone who's gay and left-wing but equally irritated by the 'virtue signalling' stuff (my ideology is basically r/stupidpol), I don't find the Rust community too bad. (FWIW, I appreciate your open-mindedness. I think that's the main thing I find objectionable on (parts of) both sides of the aisle: an inability to regard those who disagree as fundamentally well-intentioned human beings who happen to hold different beliefs.)
- DrMeepster 4y ago
  "pronoun people" What, you cant handle queer people existing?
  - samhw 4y ago
    - bigbillheck 4y ago
      There's still a lot of people out there who consider 'they/them' to be nonstandard when used for a specific person (as opposed to 'they/them' as a replacement for the generic 'he'; almost everybody opposed to that has come around or died).
      - samhw 4y ago
        Yeah, I should have clarified that I don’t consider that non-standard. Well, it’s semi-standard, I suppose. But yeah, I had in mind the ones more like ‘xe’ and ‘xer’.
    - howinteresting 4y ago
      I know many trans people who use nonstandard pronouns like xe, ze or it.
      - samhw 4y ago
        Sorry, that's true, I didn't mean that literally no trans people (or gay people, black people, etc) use non-standard pronouns. I meant that it has nothing to do with their being gay or trans. Certainly some people may happen to be trans and also happen to use those pronouns.
      - nottst 4y ago
        I hope they are not expecting normal people to use these silly words.
    - dragonwriter 4y ago
- myrrlyn 4y ago
  good

by cnasc 4y ago

collegeburner 4y ago

Also honestly it's very toxic to anybody right of center. It's the type that says "we're so accepting" when really they only are of certain stuff. Lots of pronoun people and making the mascot "non binary" is needlessly shoving their ideology down people's throat. Not a problem in the U.S. because it fits with the corporate woke ideology but sure as hell gonna be if they want more worldwide community. It's also way too hugboxxy and tbh that feels just as toxic some times as the alternative. Positivity to the point where it's obviously fake and forced and insincere. Edit: howinteresting I can't reply to your comment but you are proving my point. At least you people are being more honest that it is intended to exclude a bunch of people.

howinteresting 4y ago
Georgelemental 4y ago
As someone who both loves the Rust language and is very right of center, I've never found politics to pose much of a problem for the Rust community in practice. Yes there is occasional virtue signalling here and there but people don't let it get in the way of making programs that work.
- samhw 4y ago
  Yeah, as someone who's gay and left-wing but equally irritated by the 'virtue signalling' stuff (my ideology is basically r/stupidpol), I don't find the Rust community too bad. (FWIW, I appreciate your open-mindedness. I think that's the main thing I find objectionable on (parts of) both sides of the aisle: an inability to regard those who disagree as fundamentally well-intentioned human beings who happen to hold different beliefs.)
DrMeepster 4y ago
"pronoun people" What, you cant handle queer people existing?
- samhw 4y ago
  - bigbillheck 4y ago
    There's still a lot of people out there who consider 'they/them' to be nonstandard when used for a specific person (as opposed to 'they/them' as a replacement for the generic 'he'; almost everybody opposed to that has come around or died).
    - samhw 4y ago
      Yeah, I should have clarified that I don’t consider that non-standard. Well, it’s semi-standard, I suppose. But yeah, I had in mind the ones more like ‘xe’ and ‘xer’.
  - howinteresting 4y ago
    I know many trans people who use nonstandard pronouns like xe, ze or it.
    - samhw 4y ago
      Sorry, that's true, I didn't mean that literally no trans people (or gay people, black people, etc) use non-standard pronouns. I meant that it has nothing to do with their being gay or trans. Certainly some people may happen to be trans and also happen to use those pronouns.
    - nottst 4y ago
      I hope they are not expecting normal people to use these silly words.
  - dragonwriter 4y ago
myrrlyn 4y ago
good