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I think in that case, it’s OK to punish them. What the OP was trying to convey is that always lead with empathy, communication, and love. But, if after doing

I think in that case, it’s OK to punish them. What the OP was trying to convey is that always lead with empathy, communication, and love. But, if after doing that your child is still willfully misbehaving, then they know it’s wrong (you talked to them, calmly and respectfully) so now it’s time to start leveraging punishments (groundings, taking toys, etc).

bornfreddy 4y ago
Respectfully disagree. The only solution I found to be working is - to not turn your back. Include the son in whatever you are doing and lead by example. Of course it is easy to say that when not involved in the situation. But in general it helps to understand why the child "misbehaved" and only then change the course, and punishment in my experience never gives the intended results.
- leaflets2 4y ago
  > helps to understand why Yes precisely! There's a book, Nonviolent Communication (have you read it?)-- I wrote a bit in this sibling comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31209737 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31209737
leaflets2 4y ago
There's a book, "Nonviolent communication: a language of life", 3rd ed, which writes about this. From what I remember, if you can talk and listen to the kid, and understand what underlying needs drive the behavior, and then mention this to him -- then he'll feel understood, and notice that you're listening and care. And that was, from what I remember, the most important thing, in solving a conflict. (I.e. being listened to and understood.) The other things then, afterwards, tended to be comparatively simple to solve together.
- Sammi 4y ago
  Yes. Telling the child your own needs and feelings is not enough, you need to ask about and listen intently for the needs and feeling of your child. Only when both you and your child both feel heard and seen will understanding result. And once you have understanding of each other then you both know what to do to take best care of each other. The solutions to the conflict then come by themselves, because you now understand each others needs. This only happens after you've put in the hard work to listen and talk and listen and talk and listen and talk and listen some more...
  - leaflets2 4y ago
    > The solutions to the conflict then come by themselves, because you now understand each others needs Well said :-) (thanks for explaining how that works; before that, it was still a bit vague to me)

bornfreddy 4y ago

Respectfully disagree. The only solution I found to be working is - to not turn your back. Include the son in whatever you are doing and lead by example. Of course it is easy to say that when not involved in the situation. But in general it helps to understand why the child "misbehaved" and only then change the course, and punishment in my experience never gives the intended results.

leaflets2 4y ago
> helps to understand why Yes precisely! There's a book, Nonviolent Communication (have you read it?)-- I wrote a bit in this sibling comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31209737 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31209737

leaflets2 4y ago

There's a book, "Nonviolent communication: a language of life", 3rd ed, which writes about this. From what I remember, if you can talk and listen to the kid, and understand what underlying needs drive the behavior, and then mention this to him -- then he'll feel understood, and notice that you're listening and care. And that was, from what I remember, the most important thing, in solving a conflict. (I.e. being listened to and understood.) The other things then, afterwards, tended to be comparatively simple to solve together.

Sammi 4y ago
Yes. Telling the child your own needs and feelings is not enough, you need to ask about and listen intently for the needs and feeling of your child. Only when both you and your child both feel heard and seen will understanding result. And once you have understanding of each other then you both know what to do to take best care of each other. The solutions to the conflict then come by themselves, because you now understand each others needs. This only happens after you've put in the hard work to listen and talk and listen and talk and listen and talk and listen some more...
- leaflets2 4y ago
  > The solutions to the conflict then come by themselves, because you now understand each others needs Well said :-) (thanks for explaining how that works; before that, it was still a bit vague to me)