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IANAL, but ripping a CD that you own and then using that digital music yourself is legal - providing the songs to someone else (who hasn't paid for the album) i

by rob74 5y ago

IANAL, but ripping a CD that you own and then using that digital music yourself is legal - providing the songs to someone else (who hasn't paid for the album) isn't.

webmaven 5y ago
> IANAL, but ripping a CD that you own and then using that digital music yourself is legal - providing the songs to someone else (who hasn't paid for the album) isn't. I am also not a lawyer, but I'm pretty sure that providing files you ripped to someone else ISN'T legal, even if they"ve paid for the album: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/UMG_Recordings,_Inc._v._MP3.com,_Inc https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/UMG_Recordings,_Inc._v._MP3.....
- needle0 5y ago
  Of relevance: https://ansuz.sooke.bc.ca/entry/23 https://ansuz.sooke.bc.ca/entry/23
  - webmaven 5y ago
    Oh my. Fruit of the Poisoned Tree gone amok. Thanks for sharing that.
boomboomsubban 5y ago
It depends. If the CD has DRM, bypassing that DRM for a personal copy is a crime. If there's no DRM, I believe creating a personal copy is acceptable.
- ChrisLomont 5y ago
  The CD format doesn't support DRM. Extremely few CDs tried to fiddle to add it by adding errors, but modern readers aren't stopped from reading the audio. CDs are pure audio data with error correction.
  - boomboomsubban 5y ago
    There's the whole Sony rootkit fiasco that shows that record labels have tried to put DRM on CD's. I have no idea how many continued to try, but if they did bypassing it is a crime, even if it's trivial to bypass. The DMCA is dumb.
    - layer8 5y ago
      You can always play back the CD in a CD player with digital audio out and record the digital signal using an appropriate 44.1 kHz capable sound card, resulting in more or less a bit-perfect copy. That’s not bypassing DRM, because you’re just using regular consumer audio devices for their intended purpose.
    - ChrisLomont 5y ago
      That was adding an executable for a PC, it had nothing to do with the audio, which was and is still perfectly copyable.
  - kevin_thibedeau 5y ago
    CDs do have copy protection flags. This is unrelated to the intentionally corrupt pressed discs meant to subvert CD-R recorders.
    - ChrisLomont 5y ago
      And it's so difficult to find any hardware anywhere that respects that flag that hacker forums are filled with questions asking if anyone ever saw such a device. Every modern copy or backup program ignores it, and it looks like none ever used it.
      - kevin_thibedeau 5y ago
        It was used on standalone audio recorders.
        5y ago

by rob74 5y ago

IANAL, but ripping a CD that you own and then using that digital music yourself is legal - providing the songs to someone else (who hasn't paid for the album) isn't.

webmaven 5y ago

> IANAL, but ripping a CD that you own and then using that digital music yourself is legal - providing the songs to someone else (who hasn't paid for the album) isn't. I am also not a lawyer, but I'm pretty sure that providing files you ripped to someone else ISN'T legal, even if they"ve paid for the album: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/UMG_Recordings,_Inc._v._MP3.com,_Inc https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/UMG_Recordings,_Inc._v._MP3.....

needle0 5y ago
Of relevance: https://ansuz.sooke.bc.ca/entry/23 https://ansuz.sooke.bc.ca/entry/23
- webmaven 5y ago
  Oh my. Fruit of the Poisoned Tree gone amok. Thanks for sharing that.

boomboomsubban 5y ago

It depends. If the CD has DRM, bypassing that DRM for a personal copy is a crime. If there's no DRM, I believe creating a personal copy is acceptable.

ChrisLomont 5y ago
The CD format doesn't support DRM. Extremely few CDs tried to fiddle to add it by adding errors, but modern readers aren't stopped from reading the audio. CDs are pure audio data with error correction.
- boomboomsubban 5y ago
  There's the whole Sony rootkit fiasco that shows that record labels have tried to put DRM on CD's. I have no idea how many continued to try, but if they did bypassing it is a crime, even if it's trivial to bypass. The DMCA is dumb.
  - layer8 5y ago
    You can always play back the CD in a CD player with digital audio out and record the digital signal using an appropriate 44.1 kHz capable sound card, resulting in more or less a bit-perfect copy. That’s not bypassing DRM, because you’re just using regular consumer audio devices for their intended purpose.
  - ChrisLomont 5y ago
    That was adding an executable for a PC, it had nothing to do with the audio, which was and is still perfectly copyable.
- kevin_thibedeau 5y ago
  CDs do have copy protection flags. This is unrelated to the intentionally corrupt pressed discs meant to subvert CD-R recorders.
  - ChrisLomont 5y ago
    And it's so difficult to find any hardware anywhere that respects that flag that hacker forums are filled with questions asking if anyone ever saw such a device. Every modern copy or backup program ignores it, and it looks like none ever used it.
    - kevin_thibedeau 5y ago
      It was used on standalone audio recorders.
      - 5y ago