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The 20% rule only applies to Switzerland and the "Doppelbesteuerungsabkommen" with the neighbor countries or EU. This was the reason I quit my job in switzerlan

The 20% rule only applies to Switzerland and the "Doppelbesteuerungsabkommen" with the neighbor countries or EU. This was the reason I quit my job in switzerland and moved back to germany (without taking a huge pay cut ;), more vacation days and only 35hour/week), now the 183day rule for social contributions and tax apply as long as I live in germany. So now I can work from portugal during winter :)

hocuspocus 4y ago
Not only Switzerland, no, see Luxembourg. Most employers won't allow what you're doing. There's no EU-wide 183 day rule for social contributions. If you stay more than 3 months in a country you need to be registered as a posted worker, and there are some legal implications.
- bitschubser_ 4y ago
  you're right, depending on the country/company there are some additional implications, in my case it helps that we have a subsidiary in most EU countries, so it can work via an "entsendung". I really hope that these things will change (social and tax wise) in the future within EU to make it easier for work setups like this.
ChuckNorris89 4y ago
>without taking a huge pay cut ;), more vacation days and only 35hour/week Would you mind sharing in which area) industry one can get such a good deal in Germany? All i found was 40h/week, some with overtime.
- bitschubser_ 4y ago
  The 35h workweek is quite common in companies with an "IG Metal Tarifvertrag" in place, most companies in the automotive industry and their supplying industries provide such contracts, but also a lot of medium size companies... Don't expect FANG salaries ;)
  - ChuckNorris89 4y ago
    Aren't those IG Metal companies shit in the SW dev department due to outdated mentality thanks to German boomer management, heavily birocratic, with poor pay? I'm asking since the companies in Austria with IG Metal equivalent are terrible in those regards: poor pay for SW devs as their main money making products are some automotive/mechanical widgets instead of SW, boomer management insists on commuting to the office to some remote village because if the guys in the machine shop need to be in the office to do their work then so should the devs and everyone else, outdated SW, tooling and dev practices, poor equipment (some cheapo underpowered Dell/HP/Lenovo bogged down by corporate spyware that the pensioners in IT insists everyone must have, including SW devs). Kinda confusing to me, since you said you're getting nearly swiss money and it's not what I imagine at IG Metal companies :)
    - bitschubser_ 4y ago
      Hi, most of them yes, but they are und er pressure to good people and in a lot of companies a generation change happens with new ideas. But you're right for every innovative company there are dozen quite old fashioned :(. The big ones usually get it, Daimler, trumpf to name a few... From my personal experience a lot of companies in Switzerland are more conservative
mensetmanusman 4y ago
Not a day goes by where someone fails to mention Doppelbesteuerungsabkommen!

hocuspocus 4y ago

Not only Switzerland, no, see Luxembourg. Most employers won't allow what you're doing. There's no EU-wide 183 day rule for social contributions. If you stay more than 3 months in a country you need to be registered as a posted worker, and there are some legal implications.

bitschubser_ 4y ago
you're right, depending on the country/company there are some additional implications, in my case it helps that we have a subsidiary in most EU countries, so it can work via an "entsendung". I really hope that these things will change (social and tax wise) in the future within EU to make it easier for work setups like this.

ChuckNorris89 4y ago

>without taking a huge pay cut ;), more vacation days and only 35hour/week Would you mind sharing in which area) industry one can get such a good deal in Germany? All i found was 40h/week, some with overtime.

bitschubser_ 4y ago
The 35h workweek is quite common in companies with an "IG Metal Tarifvertrag" in place, most companies in the automotive industry and their supplying industries provide such contracts, but also a lot of medium size companies... Don't expect FANG salaries ;)
- ChuckNorris89 4y ago
  Aren't those IG Metal companies shit in the SW dev department due to outdated mentality thanks to German boomer management, heavily birocratic, with poor pay? I'm asking since the companies in Austria with IG Metal equivalent are terrible in those regards: poor pay for SW devs as their main money making products are some automotive/mechanical widgets instead of SW, boomer management insists on commuting to the office to some remote village because if the guys in the machine shop need to be in the office to do their work then so should the devs and everyone else, outdated SW, tooling and dev practices, poor equipment (some cheapo underpowered Dell/HP/Lenovo bogged down by corporate spyware that the pensioners in IT insists everyone must have, including SW devs). Kinda confusing to me, since you said you're getting nearly swiss money and it's not what I imagine at IG Metal companies :)
  - bitschubser_ 4y ago
    Hi, most of them yes, but they are und er pressure to good people and in a lot of companies a generation change happens with new ideas. But you're right for every innovative company there are dozen quite old fashioned :(. The big ones usually get it, Daimler, trumpf to name a few... From my personal experience a lot of companies in Switzerland are more conservative

mensetmanusman 4y ago

Not a day goes by where someone fails to mention Doppelbesteuerungsabkommen!