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What it is that leads you to believe the 3-6 months thing is so significant? There are (a very small proportion of) AirBnB guests who are awful. There are (a ve

What it is that leads you to believe the 3-6 months thing is so significant? There are (a very small proportion of) AirBnB guests who are awful. There are (a very small proportion of) longer-term tenants who are awful. At least with AirBnB, the awful guests are gone after a couple of nights. I know some AirBnBs are used as party destinations, and that's different -- but it's a problem with those hosts, not with the platform. AirBnB make it pretty easy to telegraph that your property is completely unsuitable for loud gatherings, and anyone who puts a piano in a short-term rental is an idiot.

noduerme 4y ago
I think the fact that the 3-6 months was negotiated directly with the landlord is more significant than the length of time itself. They essentially had to take their listing off Airbnb and rent it as a regular furnished apartment. This enforces a mutual sense of responsibility and respect on myself and them which is perhaps even more than would exist in a typical lease agreement, because it's done under "special circumstances". Whether you blame the hosts or the platform or the guests, that sort of respect for a place and a host just is not possible when everything is done through a giant corporate medium; and it's also not possible if it's only done for a short period of time, since there's limited accountability. 3-6 months isn't so important, but it's about where things start to be serious. Water pipes leak. Refrigerators break. You get to know people.
- jcbrand 4y ago
  that sort of respect for a place and a host just is not possible when everything is done through a giant corporate medium I find the claim that you can't respect someone else's property just because you rent it through an intermediary... strange. Whenever I'm in an AirBnB, I'm well aware that this is someone else's stuff and that (at least) common decency requires me to treat it with care and respect.
CPLX 4y ago
If you’ve ever lived next to an active Airbnb I don’t think you’d ask this question. The issues with an endless stream of short term guests are like in your face obvious. You’re getting people who are in a leisure situation basically 100% of the time. Your normal neighbors aren’t like this. Even just the transitions are disruptive. Picture a European couple unable to figure out how to open the door with 4 suitcases completely blocking the entrance to your building and making it impossible to go in and out every single time you come home, for one highly specific example plucked from the real world.
- noduerme 4y ago
  Exactly. It's not even that the people mean to be disrespectful, they just don't understand that they're talking loudly 6" from your bedroom window, and this happens every day. Sometimes I used to live in motels where I would wake up every morning to people dragging their luggage out. I used to rent apartments. Finally I bought a house. And now... it's like I'm back in the motel.
- balfirevic 4y ago
  Where I live, many (perhaps even majority of) buildings have apartments that are rented as short-term tourist rentals, and I've lived in many such buildings. I never perceived any issues with short term guests.
metacritic12 4y ago
There's no magical cutoff at 3-6 months, but the game theory is that the longer the relationship, the more of a repeated game there is, and the less socially destructive things you'll likely do. If I'm going to live with a neighbor for ten years, in addition to purely friendly reasons, I'm going to say hi to her and get to know her. Whereas at a hotel I'm overnighting at, if I'm not in a chatty mood, I don't see the reason to oblige a neighbor's request for a 20 minute chat.
jimkleiber 4y ago
I think for me it's less about how well the renter behaves and more about the turnover rate: how often will I, as a neighbor, see a new face next door? At 3-6 months, not often. At 1-7 days, quite often, which may give the feel of it being a hotel.
rcpt 4y ago
There are awful homeowners to. Based on Nextdoor I'd wager the fraction of them is higher than the other groups
bombcar 4y ago
Even simple examples can come to light - someone who lives next door for 3 months is unlikely to be able to perpetually party every single night; but an AirBNB on the coast could see a party each night. Another huge thing is people learn to live with consistent annoyances; if your neighbor runs a leaf blower at 8 AM every Saturday, you may hate it but you learn to live around it. If instead, he were to run a leaf blower randomly at different times it would get really annoying.
NaturalPhallacy 4y ago
I unfortunately live underneath a floor that is rented out on vacasa. During the week I have to get up earlyish for work, and it's only occasionally annoying. But since these people are vacationing or just visiting, especially on the weekends, they'll often violate the building's noise ordinances Friday and Saturday night. So the only two days I ought to be able to sleep in, they're partying till 3am, banging around, stomping on the floor, and then sometimes getting up at 6am and banging around to go be a tourist. I've had to call the police multiple times. It's not the 3-6 months thing that's difference. It's that you signed up to live in an apartment with neighbors and instead you find yourself in an unstaffed hotel where there is no one on site to manage unruly guests violating lease agreements. And all they'll do if you call them (Vacasa at least) is to text the people causing the problem.

noduerme 4y ago

I think the fact that the 3-6 months was negotiated directly with the landlord is more significant than the length of time itself. They essentially had to take their listing off Airbnb and rent it as a regular furnished apartment. This enforces a mutual sense of responsibility and respect on myself and them which is perhaps even more than would exist in a typical lease agreement, because it's done under "special circumstances". Whether you blame the hosts or the platform or the guests, that sort of respect for a place and a host just is not possible when everything is done through a giant corporate medium; and it's also not possible if it's only done for a short period of time, since there's limited accountability. 3-6 months isn't so important, but it's about where things start to be serious. Water pipes leak. Refrigerators break. You get to know people.

jcbrand 4y ago
that sort of respect for a place and a host just is not possible when everything is done through a giant corporate medium I find the claim that you can't respect someone else's property just because you rent it through an intermediary... strange. Whenever I'm in an AirBnB, I'm well aware that this is someone else's stuff and that (at least) common decency requires me to treat it with care and respect.

CPLX 4y ago

If you’ve ever lived next to an active Airbnb I don’t think you’d ask this question. The issues with an endless stream of short term guests are like in your face obvious. You’re getting people who are in a leisure situation basically 100% of the time. Your normal neighbors aren’t like this. Even just the transitions are disruptive. Picture a European couple unable to figure out how to open the door with 4 suitcases completely blocking the entrance to your building and making it impossible to go in and out every single time you come home, for one highly specific example plucked from the real world.

noduerme 4y ago
Exactly. It's not even that the people mean to be disrespectful, they just don't understand that they're talking loudly 6" from your bedroom window, and this happens every day. Sometimes I used to live in motels where I would wake up every morning to people dragging their luggage out. I used to rent apartments. Finally I bought a house. And now... it's like I'm back in the motel.
balfirevic 4y ago
Where I live, many (perhaps even majority of) buildings have apartments that are rented as short-term tourist rentals, and I've lived in many such buildings. I never perceived any issues with short term guests.

metacritic12 4y ago

There's no magical cutoff at 3-6 months, but the game theory is that the longer the relationship, the more of a repeated game there is, and the less socially destructive things you'll likely do. If I'm going to live with a neighbor for ten years, in addition to purely friendly reasons, I'm going to say hi to her and get to know her. Whereas at a hotel I'm overnighting at, if I'm not in a chatty mood, I don't see the reason to oblige a neighbor's request for a 20 minute chat.

jimkleiber 4y ago

I think for me it's less about how well the renter behaves and more about the turnover rate: how often will I, as a neighbor, see a new face next door? At 3-6 months, not often. At 1-7 days, quite often, which may give the feel of it being a hotel.

rcpt 4y ago

There are awful homeowners to. Based on Nextdoor I'd wager the fraction of them is higher than the other groups

bombcar 4y ago

Even simple examples can come to light - someone who lives next door for 3 months is unlikely to be able to perpetually party every single night; but an AirBNB on the coast could see a party each night. Another huge thing is people learn to live with consistent annoyances; if your neighbor runs a leaf blower at 8 AM every Saturday, you may hate it but you learn to live around it. If instead, he were to run a leaf blower randomly at different times it would get really annoying.

NaturalPhallacy 4y ago

I unfortunately live underneath a floor that is rented out on vacasa. During the week I have to get up earlyish for work, and it's only occasionally annoying. But since these people are vacationing or just visiting, especially on the weekends, they'll often violate the building's noise ordinances Friday and Saturday night. So the only two days I ought to be able to sleep in, they're partying till 3am, banging around, stomping on the floor, and then sometimes getting up at 6am and banging around to go be a tourist. I've had to call the police multiple times. It's not the 3-6 months thing that's difference. It's that you signed up to live in an apartment with neighbors and instead you find yourself in an unstaffed hotel where there is no one on site to manage unruly guests violating lease agreements. And all they'll do if you call them (Vacasa at least) is to text the people causing the problem.