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I work at Automattic (no proper offices, fully remote), which (pre-pandemic) does meetups once or twice per year per team, plus one for the whole company. Meetu
by noahtallen 4y ago
I work at Automattic (no proper offices, fully remote), which (pre-pandemic) does meetups once or twice per year per team, plus one for the whole company. Meetups are typically a week long. I’ve had the chance to visit Lisbon, Hawaii, and soon Cancun on the company’s dime, so I can’t see a world where I am upset about “having” to attend these trips :)
I recognize that kids makes it difficult. And there are also folks who find it hard to travel much at all. But I’ve found I have the opposite problem: remote work can be extremely challenging from a energy and social point of view without meetups. I’ve never met most people on my current team, and don’t have strong social relationships with them. Those are really only possible to build in person. I come away from meetups with a sense of camaraderie, energy, and vision that’s difficult or impossible to replicate over Zoom.
So for me, I have found remote work more difficult during covid without meetups. I burn out more frequently, and struggle to find as much energy as I’ve had in the past.
True remote work — not 4/5 days, or in close proximity to an office where most work — would be less viable for me without meetups. Just as remote work is less viable for some with meetups. And working in the office has huge drawbacks as well for plenty of people. So it’s all a balancing game, and I wouldn’t say that meetups should be ditched because of this.
I do want to note that when I think of a meetup, a lot of it is social and having a good time. While “real work” obviously happens too, it’s not like these trips are consumed by it. Getting paid to go to a pleasant location of your choice with nice lodging and a decent food/drink budget is super nice. If it was just going to a soulless office at a minimal budget with no expectation of having a good time, I probably wouldn’t be so much in favor of them :) But with a nice mix of meaningful conversations, socialization, brainstorming, and fun, they have a positive impact on my work/life balance. And I’m more productive as well. So it’s a huge win all around for me, and I hope most.
- spaniard89277 4y agoThat seems like a great way to do it. I wouldn't mind a couple of meetups a year.
- somethoughts 4y agoI think the sweet spot would be quarterly weekly meet-ups for culture building which occurs during normal hours from 9am-5pm and occur at the local office versus some "get away" all inclusive conference center where there is a packed schedule of 24/7 culture building (aka drinking, etc.) from 8am-11pm. If its during normal work hours - employees with kids can live within 1-2 hours can suffer the commute for a week every quarter and socialize but still be home in time for dinner with the kids/wife. Conversely - the single folks/DINKs can go out and paint the town from 5pm-11pm and experience the actual local nightlife.
- noahtallen 4y agoThe problem with this is that as companies go further and further remote, there’s no such thing as “the local office.” My team is in multiple countries, let alone multiple cities or towns in the same country. Forcing people to still live within commute distance of the office just for four events a year seems pretty restrictive. Currently, I could move anywhere in the world (assuming I could get a visa), and it’d work out. Or more reasonably, I can follow my wife for her career in health care to a different city. Or I could move back to the east coast US to be closer to family. All without changing jobs, teams, and especially pay. I think that freedom is pretty huge, and definitely understated if moving is a serious possibly in one’s life.