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Ive worked for a coding bootcamp since before covid. We used to be in person only and Ive gotten to see the ups and downs of the full-remote transition for at t
by pkdpic 4y ago
Ive worked for a coding bootcamp since before covid. We used to be in person only and Ive gotten to see the ups and downs of the full-remote transition for at this point hundreds of jr devs entering the field.
Long story short everything I thought would get negative blowback or go up in flames didnt. I keep waiting for the other shoe to drop and it never does.
Our students work through around 1000 hours of computer science fundamentals remotely, build a portfolio of fullstack applications remotely, get hired at FAANG companies and startups remotely, make their employers happy remotely and get more of our graduates hired remotely.
As someone who used to work in and believe in traditional academia I still can't believe there's no catch. But increasingly it's becoming clear that there's not.
Except that the students can't hook up with eachother and there's no free bad coffee.
Also society could still totally collapse at any moment I guess.
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PS I love the green futurism manifesto vibe of airbnbs statement, I wana work there now
- paulcole 4y ago> I still can't believe there's no catch Do you believe that remote work is a net gain for society but is a net negative for many individuals?
- pkdpic 4y agodefinitely, my best friend cant stand it and another engineer mentor friend has suffered really legitimately from it, but honestly its a good reminder, and a privilege check on being in a relationship and living in a walkable mixed-zoning area
- zdragnar 4y agoI think this depends largely on whether you live alone. I would never go back to an office, even part time. One of my best friends lives by himself and struggled hard during the covid-induced requirement to work from home. Much like schools double as a day care for children, work often doubles as a social club for adults.
- pkdpic 4y agowell put for sure
- lostcolony 4y agoEven then, I think remote work can be a gain...but companies should be providing stipends/reimbursement for coworking spaces rather than investing in offices. Then the org still has to learn to function remotely, but enables people to connect with others through the social construct of 'work', without most of the downsides, a bunch of new upsides,and missing few of the upsides of being in an office with your actual colleagues.
- noirbot 4y agoI've lived by myself for years now and haven't had a huge problem with the working from home part of things, but I also had a fairly healthy online/non-work social life beforehand. What full remote has done is made it harder for me to consider moving. Sure, I could move anywhere, but I'll show up there knowing essentially no one and have to just go out and meet people by force of will. There's no group of people at my new office I could connect with and at minimum get some recommendations of places to go. Even if you don't become friends with your coworkers, having some amount of in-person social contact is important for most folks, and knowing you have to build that yourself is daunting.
- paulcole 4y ago> Much like schools double as a day care for children, work often doubles as a social club for adults. So what? 2 birds with one stone and all.
- zdragnar 4y agoI didn't mean to imply a value judgement either way; the concept seems to be somewhat underappreciated by people who haven't worked remote before. There's a massive dropoff in interpersonal relationship building, largely owing to the watercooler type conversations, overhearing a conversation in a hallway and chiming in, or (if you're a smoker) standing around outside with the other smokers musing over work issues or after work plans.
- spaniard89277 4y agoI think it will be worse for people who uses their work as main source of connections with other people. I guess society should take loneliness seriously for once, as it has a very negative impact on people's health.
- barry-cotter 4y agoWhich boot camp do you work for?
- pkdpic 4y agothe best one ;^)
- gigglesupstairs 4y agoRight. Are there any faliure stories since they seemingly never get highlighted?
- roflulz 4y agoI know someone who became mentally ill when the bootcamp switched from in-person to remote and had enough stress to develop schizophrenia from the stresses of trying to apply for jobs remotely and alone in 2020.
- JCharante 4y agoThere's downsides to both. When schools switched to remote I was able to travel home and study next to my partner, instead of being in a depressed state on-campus.
- munificent 4y agoI think the general rule is that going remote increases variance. That can be good when it lets people tailor their environment to their own peculiar interests. And it can be bad for people where the normalizing environment of a shared social space helps them drag some deficient attribute back up to a healthy level.
- jdrc 4y agoi think academia's future is remote. school too - especially if people want to travel nomadically. Academia has actually had this model for a long time - people moving with their families for postdocs every few years and keeping in touch remotely with old colleagues
- eldaisfish 4y agowhile this sentiment may be popular here, there are numerous, well-understood and well-documented benefits of human interaction that are not possible via a screen.
- dominotw 4y ago> I still can't believe there's no catch mountain towns would like to have a word here.