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I think a lot of founders and their friends are using the office as a replacement for a healthier separate social circle and social life that they lack (a lot o
by vmception 4y ago
I think a lot of founders and their friends are using the office as a replacement for a healthier separate social circle and social life that they lack (a lot of people lack that, and they do too), so for them they're really just hanging out and like the potential for “increased collaboration” for that reason
- hindsightbias 4y agoWhatever people think of Myers-Briggs, the three I’ve been involved with the managers were always the extroverts. So your choice is WFH micromanaging or keeping that seat in the cube warm.
- sdoering 4y agoI don't understand the dichiotomy you're setting up here. > So your choice is WFH micromanaging or keeping that seat in the cube warm. Can't WFH work without micromanagement? At least I can say that I never felt more free than during the work from home phase in the pandemic.
- hindsightbias 4y agoWhen you’re 50 and have 10-50 reports, get back to us. :)
- PeterisP 4y agoI guess the point of that post is that the same type of managers who want to keep the cube seat warm are the same type of managers who'll want to micromanage WFH; switching to remote won't change their desires and expectations.
- cipheredStones 4y agoIntroversion/extroversion isn't a distinctive feature of Myers-Briggs - it shows up in more scientifically-respectable personality measures, like the five-factor (OCEAN) model.
- CamperBob2 4y agoIsn't it the very first letter?!
- dudeman13 4y agoI mean, Myers-Briggs is bollocks anyway so we shouldn't be using it for anything but funsies. I have a dream that one day we will shit hard on that sort of stuff instead of validating it. See also "alpha male".
- cipheredStones 4y agoYes, it features prominently in the MBTI, but my point is that "Whatever people think of Myers-Briggs [my experience is that extroversion is important]" doesn't make a lot of sense because introversion/extroversion is a widely-accepted concept that the MBTI uses, not a concept that comes from the MBTI.
- asiachick 4y ago(1) Healthiest = great social circle at work that bleeds into social circle out of work (2) Less healthy = great social circle at work, separate great social circle outside of work (3) Even less healthy = no social circle at work (just a job), great social circle outside work (4) Worse = great social circle at work, no social circle outside of work (I never seen this situation. If you have a great social circle at work it's practically inevitable you'll do things outside of work) (5) No social circle anywhere This being HN I know lots of people will rebel against (1) but there are tons of stories about friends starting companies together and you can be sure they loved spending time together both at work and outside of work. Just to make it more concrete I can't personally imagine The Beatles just calling their music "a job" and not getting close to their fellow band members. Sure that's a band but it's not really different from other famous business friend founders. I'm pretty confident Larry and Sergei socialized with each other outside of work. Hewlett and Packard. Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak were certainly friends when starting Apple and socialized outside work.
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- idontpost 4y agoI'll be #5 no matter what. At least WFH I can see my daughter when I'm not working.
- asiachick 4y agoYou're not in situation (5), you're in (3).
- quickthrower2 4y agoSo 5 is basically “the hole” in prison?
- sateesh 4y agoI would put your choice (2) to be the healthiest. In my experience when you change jobs the social circle from work gradually atrophies.
- renewiltord 4y agoITT fish speculating about why birds fly and concluding that it’s because they don’t know how to swim.