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If this becomes the norm then it's the end of SF as a tech hub. A big move for a company paying the sorts of salaries it does.

by muglug 5y ago

ttul 5y ago
Add to this the fact that SF has deteriorated a great deal as a city since the start of the pandemic. The loss of downtown office worker revenue has decimated local shops and restaurants. It will take time for things to adjust to the new reality that workers just aren’t going back to how things were.
wolverine876 5y ago
> it's the end of SF as a tech hub People love to predict this, they seek it. Perhaps it feels like pushing against some establishment (when it's serving another establishment). It's trendy now, which affects people who follow trends, but trends change fast. Talented people want to be around other talented people; smart, intellectually curious people want to live where there are great restaurants, arts, beauty, sophisticated people, etc. I don't think that will change.
- vineyardmike 5y ago
  I agree. But some people will totally leave, which will be great for those of us that like it here, since the prices should go down.
  - wolverine876 5y ago
    Be careful: Perception is reality, and becomes reality. It's self-fulfilling.
- LesZedCB 5y ago
  oh yeah, i forgot you can't get any of those cultural artifacts in any other city
- junofan 5y ago
  It’s gotten pretty ridiculous in some neighborhoods. I don’t feel like a trend follower by leaving, and I don’t think random internet chatter influenced my decision.
- mwcampbell 5y ago
  > Perhaps it feels like pushing against some establishment (when it's serving another establishment). What establishment do you think it's serving? To me, a return to the smaller cities where many of us grew up, or better yet, never leaving in the first place, feels like decentralization, which many of us think is a good thing. > intellectually curious people want to live where there are great restaurants, arts, beauty, sophisticated people, etc. This strikes me as elitist, especially the mention of "sophisticated people". Now that I've returned to my home city, in what Americans often call flyover country, I appreciate hanging out with ordinary people. True, when I do karaoke, I hope the other singers will be good (speaking of arts and beauty), but there are good karaoke singers everywhere.
peanuty1 5y ago
It's not going to be the norm for a while. MAGA aka The Big 4 have all announced RTO plans for the majority of their workforce.
- vineyardmike 5y ago
  Amazon is absolutely not going back to office in a significant capacity. I thought Meta had a bifurcated work force where anyone could be remote? And G employees won't tolerate the forcing to be in office even if a ton like it. It seems they're the ones always demanding more from the employer (someone has to!).
  - dmode 5y ago
    My wife works in Amazon. Their org is going back next month

If this becomes the norm then it's the end of SF as a tech hub. A big move for a company paying the sorts of salaries it does.

by muglug 5y ago

If this becomes the norm then it's the end of SF as a tech hub. A big move for a company paying the sorts of salaries it does.

ttul 5y ago

Add to this the fact that SF has deteriorated a great deal as a city since the start of the pandemic. The loss of downtown office worker revenue has decimated local shops and restaurants. It will take time for things to adjust to the new reality that workers just aren’t going back to how things were.

wolverine876 5y ago

> it's the end of SF as a tech hub People love to predict this, they seek it. Perhaps it feels like pushing against some establishment (when it's serving another establishment). It's trendy now, which affects people who follow trends, but trends change fast. Talented people want to be around other talented people; smart, intellectually curious people want to live where there are great restaurants, arts, beauty, sophisticated people, etc. I don't think that will change.

vineyardmike 5y ago
I agree. But some people will totally leave, which will be great for those of us that like it here, since the prices should go down.
- wolverine876 5y ago
  Be careful: Perception is reality, and becomes reality. It's self-fulfilling.
LesZedCB 5y ago
oh yeah, i forgot you can't get any of those cultural artifacts in any other city
junofan 5y ago
It’s gotten pretty ridiculous in some neighborhoods. I don’t feel like a trend follower by leaving, and I don’t think random internet chatter influenced my decision.
mwcampbell 5y ago
> Perhaps it feels like pushing against some establishment (when it's serving another establishment). What establishment do you think it's serving? To me, a return to the smaller cities where many of us grew up, or better yet, never leaving in the first place, feels like decentralization, which many of us think is a good thing. > intellectually curious people want to live where there are great restaurants, arts, beauty, sophisticated people, etc. This strikes me as elitist, especially the mention of "sophisticated people". Now that I've returned to my home city, in what Americans often call flyover country, I appreciate hanging out with ordinary people. True, when I do karaoke, I hope the other singers will be good (speaking of arts and beauty), but there are good karaoke singers everywhere.

peanuty1 5y ago

It's not going to be the norm for a while. MAGA aka The Big 4 have all announced RTO plans for the majority of their workforce.

vineyardmike 5y ago
Amazon is absolutely not going back to office in a significant capacity. I thought Meta had a bifurcated work force where anyone could be remote? And G employees won't tolerate the forcing to be in office even if a ton like it. It seems they're the ones always demanding more from the employer (someone has to!).
- dmode 5y ago
  My wife works in Amazon. Their org is going back next month