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The main arguments against them I have seen are: - Slow snap startup time - Pollution of home directory with snap directory - Automatic updates which can't b

by tssva 5y ago

The main arguments against them I have seen are: - Slow snap startup time - Pollution of home directory with snap directory - Automatic updates which can't be disabled - No support for 3rd party repositories

ss108 5y ago
Why wouldn't I want automatic updates?
- Spooky23 5y ago
  Shit breaks on upgrades sometimes.
- synicalx 5y ago
  I had a VPN app distributed as a snap - one day it auto-updated and came with a huge memory leak. Apparently all the update did was adjust some functionality in the apps UI, so it was totally non-essential but it still installed itself and broke all my stuff for a day or two.
- ddoolin 5y ago
  Updates often break things, especially in Linux land. I don't want things updating until I do it manually, when I've decided that I have time to sit down and possibly spend time fixing breakages.
- tssva 5y ago
  I run a lxd cluster in my home lab. At one point while I was away on vacation one of the nodes failed. Once I returned from vacation I fixed the hardware issue and brought the node back online. This caused the entire cluster to fail because also while I was gone unknown to me the lxd snap was auto-updated on the other nodes. The node I brought back up was therefore on a different version which lxd. lxd doesn't allow nodes running different versions and will shutdown the cluster if a all the nodes are not on the same version.
- marssaxman 5y ago
  QA is never perfect. Sometimes the new version breaks things, and you have to deal with it. With automatic updates, breakage happens randomly; with manual updates, potential breakage is limited to moments when you decide to accept the risk.
bluefirebrand 5y ago
Really, automatic updates? If people wanted automatic updates they'd just use Windows...
- fuzzfactor 5y ago
  To quote much Microsoft documentation: "This is by design."
throwaway67743 5y ago
I'm no fan of snap but I do use snap on Arch and it's pretty simple - you limit snap to nonsense (in my case Spotify and slack for corporate im) you should never use it for anything important - I don't really notice the startup time difference but Ubuntu is wrappers upon wrappers so maybe it's just badly implemented in Ubuntu

by tssva 5y ago

ss108 5y ago

Why wouldn't I want automatic updates?

Spooky23 5y ago
Shit breaks on upgrades sometimes.
synicalx 5y ago
I had a VPN app distributed as a snap - one day it auto-updated and came with a huge memory leak. Apparently all the update did was adjust some functionality in the apps UI, so it was totally non-essential but it still installed itself and broke all my stuff for a day or two.
ddoolin 5y ago
Updates often break things, especially in Linux land. I don't want things updating until I do it manually, when I've decided that I have time to sit down and possibly spend time fixing breakages.
tssva 5y ago
I run a lxd cluster in my home lab. At one point while I was away on vacation one of the nodes failed. Once I returned from vacation I fixed the hardware issue and brought the node back online. This caused the entire cluster to fail because also while I was gone unknown to me the lxd snap was auto-updated on the other nodes. The node I brought back up was therefore on a different version which lxd. lxd doesn't allow nodes running different versions and will shutdown the cluster if a all the nodes are not on the same version.
marssaxman 5y ago
QA is never perfect. Sometimes the new version breaks things, and you have to deal with it. With automatic updates, breakage happens randomly; with manual updates, potential breakage is limited to moments when you decide to accept the risk.

bluefirebrand 5y ago

Really, automatic updates? If people wanted automatic updates they'd just use Windows...

fuzzfactor 5y ago
To quote much Microsoft documentation: "This is by design."

throwaway67743 5y ago

I'm no fan of snap but I do use snap on Arch and it's pretty simple - you limit snap to nonsense (in my case Spotify and slack for corporate im) you should never use it for anything important - I don't really notice the startup time difference but Ubuntu is wrappers upon wrappers so maybe it's just badly implemented in Ubuntu